All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England to win by 6+
I should wait until I read the whole thread yet but I'm expecting you to be happy unless you are an English fan.
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I'm sorry but that was an awful game by the officials. Gus basically coached them through rucks, tackles etc. He was so inconsitant it was beyond farcicle. HOWEVER, we still need to recognise we aren't getting the rub of the green and plan accordingly.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I'm sorry but that was an awful game by the officials. Gus basically coached them through rucks, tackles etc. He was so inconsitant it was beyond farcicle.
farce-icicle? A chilly farcical kick to the spine?
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Wallace Sititi was my player of the day, fuck he’s awesome. Mark Telea had some beautiful touches as well and how about that try.
Beauden isn’t the answer at 10, kick…kick…kick. Jesus Christ, we looked more like England than England at times. Where’s the innovation?
Fair play to Aumua as well, his line out throwing was pretty solid for the most part and played a full 77 mins.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Wallace Sititi was my player of the day, fuck he’s awesome. Mark Telea had some beautiful touches as well and how about that try.
Beauden isn’t the answer at 10, kick…kick…kick. Jesus Christ, we looked more like England than England at times. Where’s the innovation?
Ouch. Second most painful comment in this thread.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jet We were heading for a comfortable win before the Ratima intercept. Then we shut down after that with England (who are 5th in the world) in front of their fans pumped up and full of momentum for the next 20 mins.
And we still brought it back and clutched (reminiscent of the old ABs).
We were comfortably the better team (albeit while playing horrible rugby with BB at 10 directing).
We looked much more dangerous immediately with Roigard/Dmac on and BB/Jordie off.
My standards are higher than this.
It wasn’t good enough.
@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jet We were heading for a comfortable win before the Ratima intercept. Then we shut down after that with England (who are 5th in the world) in front of their fans pumped up and full of momentum for the next 20 mins.
And we still brought it back and clutched (reminiscent of the old ABs).
We were comfortably the better team (albeit while playing horrible rugby with BB at 10 directing).
We looked much more dangerous immediately with Roigard/Dmac on and BB/Jordie off.
> My standards are higher than this.
It wasn’t good enough.
This is the worst comment on the thread.
Unless you are an All Black player or coach and actually putting your arse on the line (not a barstool in Madrid) your standards don't matter a damn. -
Just watching the replay now. 9 minutes in, Telea scores in the corner. I actually like our patience despite the lack of forward progress early. As the half progresses, it becomes quickly apparent that BBs kicking game is shite, but of course we knew that. A potpourri of chip and cross kicks, aimless ground kicks and aimless bombs, with the odd good kick.
I don't like us trying all that fancy close quarters passing shit behind the advantage line or as we hit the line. We waste good attacking ball when we more often than not spill the pill
I love the enthusiasm with which the England fans sing a slave's song as if it was their own...
Nice cut after some good ground gains sees Jordan over. The TMO tries to convince Gardner that there is a knock on in order to take away the try, but to his credit he isn't having a bar of it.
30 minutes in, and we still haven't got the hang of not tackling their dummy runners. Come on boys, sharpen up
The first forward receiver loves to pass the ball to BB or someone else out the back before hitting the gain line, how many times do we get over the gain line using this strategy? More often not
We are getting pinged in the scrums, and in a 60 second passage Jordan gets hit behind the gain line after another ill advised pass, Sititi regathers and streaks upfield only to combine with Vaii to squander a great chance at a try through poor pass fundamentals
Right on halftime Vaaii gets pinged for side entry at maul time. I didn't hear him get a warning to get out?
We lacked accuracy too many times, and I don't like that passing behind the line
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As stated by someone else Roigard put a heap of pressure on the Ford drop kick. Well done.
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That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
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That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
We cant play catch up rugby with Ireland.
Our strongest axis 8-9-10-12 at the moment is probably starting Sititi-Roigard-DMac-ALB. It wont happen though. -
Just watching the replay now. 9 minutes in, Telea scores in the corner. I actually like our patience despite the lack of forward progress early. As the half progresses, it becomes quickly apparent that BBs kicking game is shite, but of course we knew that. A potpourri of chip and cross kicks, aimless ground kicks and aimless bombs, with the odd good kick.
I don't like us trying all that fancy close quarters passing shit behind the advantage line or as we hit the line. We waste good attacking ball when we more often than not spill the pill
I love the enthusiasm with which the England fans sing a slave's song as if it was their own...Nice cut after some good ground gains sees Jordan over. The TMO tries to convince Gardner that there is a knock on in order to take away the try, but to his credit he isn't having a bar of it.
30 minutes in, and we still haven't got the hang of not tackling their dummy runners. Come on boys, sharpen up
The first forward receiver loves to pass the ball to BB or someone else out the back before hitting the gain line, how many times do we get over the gain line using this strategy? More often not
We are getting pinged in the scrums, and in a 60 second passage Jordan gets hit behind the gain line after another ill advised pass, Sititi regathers and streaks upfield only to combine with Vaii to squander a great chance at a try through poor pass fundamentals
Right on halftime Vaaii gets pinged for side entry at maul time. I didn't hear him get a warning to get out?
We lacked accuracy too many times, and I don't like that passing behind the line
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
We are getting pinged in the scrums, and in a 60 second passage Jordan gets hit behind the gain line after another ill advised pass, Sititi regathers and streaks upfield only to combine with Vaii to squander a great chance at a try through poor pass fundamentals
I think if the ABs had scored there is a chance the try would have been disallowed anyway. It looked like the ball came off an AB foot to Sititi who was in front.
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Holy shit we won! How good? Scored some sexy tries. Only let England score one off an intercept.
Bench that we used were mainly really fucking good.Some real positives.
Sititi is some fucking player aye? What an incredible test match. Just a kid starting a test at Twickenham and he was incredible. His defence and ruck work continues to improve to support that run game.
Telea back on the right wing was really fucking good.
Tight forwards worked hard and for the most part held England, though you would say for the majority the standout forwards were in white.
Bench impressive. Tosi came on and was hugely powerful. Patty T immense.
If we can keep it tight we have the individual talent to seize hald moments and score. We led.at half time despite being 2nd best. And we won the game. That's really all that matters? -
But holy shit we made that game far harder than it should have been. Credit to England's defence, they were good at hitting what's in front of them. But that's not hard when the opposition takes every opportunity to kick the ball away.
Fucking beauden Barrett. Can that be the end? Please? Kicking lots is not controlling thr game, it's just giving the ball away. Over and over again.
Ratima struggled to combine with BB as well, huge and repeated breakdowns in communication.
We are a dumb, dumb rugby team scating by on individual talent. So many blatant and stupid penalties. Bad options. Inviting pressure.
For all Sititi is amazing, the other 2 loose forwards are doing nothing. And it is damning for Ardie Savea that cane is probably playing slightly better. 7 and 8 can quietly move on thanks. Maybe Ardie comes back next year after now that he's had his "back from Japan and a bit shit" season. But they are net negatives and the kid next to them is making them look worse.
Vaa'i back to earth a bit today, but he and Barrett were buried in the tough stuff. Starting scrum was ropey, but tighties okay around the park. Lineout went as expected with Aumua forced to play 78.
Our midfield is fucking ordinary. Jordie is not fit (and another dumb player) Ioane is miles out of form. Clark did not.get the ball in space for a long time. Chase another uncontestable kick Caleb.
Playing a better team than England with a better 10.than Smith we don't win today.
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Also I have realised today that coaches don't do anything.
The way the ABs play depend on who is picked not who is coach. DMac is 10? Fast fast, lots of passing lots of phases. BB is 10? Kick everything always.Foster? Robertson? Doesn't matter. Today looked like 2022 all over again.
Also, coaches don't make subs. 7&8 were having poor games, so what do we do? Leave them on for 80 and not even try to do anything different.
You can point to the scoreboard and say it worked, if you want to ignore how much luck that took.
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
On that I'll disciplined PoS display, Ireland sand France will chew us up and spit us out. But hopefully we've learnt...
... Yeah rightI dunno. Discipline was utter shite and arguably the worst this year, but that was a huge improvement in the last 40 minutes compared to recent crap served up - we didn't actually go completely to pieces and played really well for at least 10-15 minutes.
#slight sarcasm alert#
Back handed compliments. The bar is so low for the ABs right now....
Our lineout is crap, leadership is crap, composure is crap, discipline is crap, inside backs crap
Still cant wait for the next game. Bring it on.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
On that I'll disciplined PoS display, Ireland sand France will chew us up and spit us out. But hopefully we've learnt...
... Yeah rightI dunno. Discipline was utter shite and arguably the worst this year, but that was a huge improvement in the last 40 minutes compared to recent crap served up - we didn't actually go completely to pieces and played really well for at least 10-15 minutes.
#slight sarcasm alert#
Back handed compliments. The bar is so low for the ABs right now....
Our lineout is crap, leadership is crap, composure is crap, discipline is crap, inside backs crap
Still cant wait for the next game. Bring it on.For the most part the line-out was good.
I would like our captain/leadership to be more assertive.
Composure, well they came through pretty well. They shelved the stupid shit around the 60th min mark and won the game in the last 15.
Discipline, copping more than their fair share of shit calls but they have to make adjustments and recognise they're io against it.
Insides need a shift in game plan, 12 is shutting them down so they need to counter that.
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Pat T introduced early. I like this change in subbing tactics, assuming it wasn't injury enforced
Again we lose a shitload of territory when WJ gets caught behind the gain line. Fuck I'm getting sick of saying that...
Shit, intercept try. Smith was up fast, either Cortez was too laboured, or Smith was offside.
At 47 minutes the pop passes and in passes are working well, then BB overcooks his kick. Ugh.
Gardner telling to Poms to stop whinging about a supposed high shot and another infringement that already warranted an advantage. Good stuff
Gardner letting the Poms play us off the ball at ruck time. Patty T having a serious impact with ball in hand
WJ with a bad spilled offload deep in our own half. Just too desperate to force the ball
Clarke gets penalised for a knock down, sensible from Gardner to not give a YC as he was making the tackle. I don't like the Pom players pressing for the YC, this isn't bloody football ya bunch of Neymar's. A shame because the two runs Clarke has made have been telling
The offloads as we hit the line work well. But we need to be more selective when to use it. Too many forced and turned over
Wow. Loved the final 10 minutes. Still lots of errors, but we attacked up the guts, kept the errors down and Telea scored a brilliant solo try. Lots of work ons, but at least we ran a team down in the final quarter to win
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
We cant play catch up rugby with Ireland.
Our strongest axis 8-9-10-12 at the moment is probably starting Sititi-Roigard-DMac-ALB. It wont happen though.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
We cant play catch up rugby with Ireland.
Our strongest axis 8-9-10-12 at the moment is probably starting Sititi-Roigard-DMac-ALB. It wont happen though.ALB I am losing faith in. The NZ XV midfield looked snappier.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
We cant play catch up rugby with Ireland.
Our strongest axis 8-9-10-12 at the moment is probably starting Sititi-Roigard-DMac-ALB. It wont happen though.ALB I am losing faith in. The NZ XV midfield looked snappier.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
That said, the coaching and the selection this year leaves a lot to be desired. For example, if Blackadder hadn't been injured Sititi might not have been saving our bacon, Tele'a looks far better at 14, Cane is treading water, BB isn't consistently good enough even for the 23 IMO, Jordie hasn't improved or even held form, and our captain seems to be one of the quietest on the field.
We cant play catch up rugby with Ireland.
Our strongest axis 8-9-10-12 at the moment is probably starting Sititi-Roigard-DMac-ALB. It wont happen though.ALB I am losing faith in. The NZ XV midfield looked snappier.
I wouldn't want to gloss over the mistakes our midfielders made today, but in all honesty you could probably put Jesus Christ our lord and saviour outside Beauden Barrett and he wouldn't achieve much of anything.
