Brendon McCullum
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@MajorRage said in Brendon McCullum:
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
I can forgive everytime he got out, made a wrong decison and annoyed me, as thats part of sport, I really have nothing but respect for him on that front.
But moving to Matamata?
SMH.
Vermair Racing which he started has centralised itself there being the Throughbred hub of NZ
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Have heard this in an interview on trackside before but still a great read.
He became my favourite NZ cricketer after I was first so annoyed he was made captain. I couldn't have thought of a worse person for the job, but sporting ignorance is bliss but blind. He was perfect for the job.
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
Apparently I am playing in his team for an ambrose tournament with the local publican and one other in November.
Bring him up here, I wanna boof him
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
Have heard this in an interview on trackside before but still a great read.
He became my favourite NZ cricketer after I was first so annoyed he was made captain. I couldn't have thought of a worse person for the job, but sporting ignorance is bliss but blind. He was perfect for the job.
He's just moved to Matamata which is great. Loves his golf as well.
Apparently I am playing in his team for an ambrose tournament with the local publican and one other in November.
Bring him up here, I wanna boof him
Have a good yarn to him about Sacred Falls. I've got some more questionable topics, but I might PM them to you on Facebook. . . .
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Sitting up in the Ponsford stand that day I really wished we had bowled first..... :(. They got out of the gate so fast, Starc was awesome but in fact the whole attack was brilliant. There seemed no hope of waiting it out to profit off the weaker change bowlers because they all bowled well
@canefan Wouldn't a more innovative tactic been to drop McCullum down the order for the CWC final? The Aussies, after the game, all they talked about was spending the lead up constructing their bowling plan to McCullum in the first few overs to prevent him getting away to a flier (didn't appear to care so much about Guppy or Kane or Rosco and co). So putting us in and getting to bowl at McCullum straight away suited them.
If we'd sent someone else out to open they'd have been (temporarily) fucked.
Armchair Tactician, 39,
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@mariner4life said in Brendon McCullum:
@rotated said in Brendon McCullum:
Then why did we choose to bat up against such a formidable, unplayable bowling attack? We had only bent them over a few weeks earlier bowling first.
haha bitter hindsight much?
Not at all, but if you are going to argue we were so outgunned by their bowlers that our only hope was to blindly attack - then you have to consider why we chose to bat first to begin with.
Batting second with a total set is generally a better approach if you have a more fragile batting order. The odds of an Aussie collapse batting first (ala Eden Park) was surely more likely than a 50 over assault on the biggest ground in cricket.
It's a bit of a rabbit hole - but I walked away from the final thinking we didn't play the percentages well at all.
@Tregaskis said in Brendon McCullum:
So putting us in and getting to bowl at McCullum straight away suited them.
If we'd sent someone else out to open they'd have been (temporarily) fucked.
Armchair Tactician, 39,
Hamilton.@rotated said in Brendon McCullum:
Not at all, but if you are going to argue we were so outgunned by their bowlers that our only hope was to blindly attack - then you have to consider why we chose to bat first to begin with.
So did we choose to bat first or did they put us in...I honestly cannot remember, or am I reading that wrong?
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@canefan Wouldn't a more innovative tactic been to drop McCullum down the order for the CWC final? The Aussies, after the game, all they talked about was spending the lead up constructing their bowling plan to McCullum in the first few overs to prevent him getting away to a flier (didn't appear to care so much about Guppy or Kane or Rosco and co). So putting us in and getting to bowl at McCullum straight away suited them.
If we'd sent someone else out to open they'd have been (temporarily) fucked.
Armchair Tactician, 39,
Hamilton.@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
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@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
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@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
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@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
@Hooroo kinda like telling Tiger in his prime to play it safe instead of going for the green....
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@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
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@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
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@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
Even if you are right, surely you have to criticise his inability to adapt to conditions. I'm sorry, but we seem to be affording this guy more leeway that any one else. Using your argument, nobody should criticise Fekitoa for rushing up on defence since this is how he plays. Let's just not be critical at all from now on.
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@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
Even if you are right, surely you have to criticise his inability to adapt to conditions. I'm sorry, but we seem to be affording this guy more leeway that any one else. Using your argument, nobody should criticise Fekitoa for rushing up on defence since this is how he plays. Let's just not be critical at all from now on.
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@Hooroo said in Brendon McCullum:
@akan004 said in Brendon McCullum:
@canefan said in Brendon McCullum:
@Tregaskis It didn't really seem to matter on the day. Funny thing was, I'm sure the ball seemed to be doing stuff in the air during the warmups, so I was super surprised when we didn't have a go with the ball first
All the more reason to be critical of a batsman who chooses not to be as technically sound as he can be but rather decides to take the kamikaze approach to a swinging ball.
You mean play his normal ODI game?
Nah, like Rotated mentioned earlier, he normally takes an over or two to assess the pitch and the swing before going berserk. He definitely didn't do this in the final against the best bowler in the world who was making the ball talk.
You need to re watch the WC
Even if you are right, surely you have to criticise his inability to adapt to conditions. I'm sorry, but we seem to be affording this guy more leeway that any one else. Using your argument, nobody should criticise Fekitoa for rushing up on defence since this is how he plays. Let's just not be critical at all from now on.
If that is how he is asked to play then you can't criticise it, no.
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I didn't see anything different to what had been a pretty successful approach throughout the World Cup for McCullum. Yes he came up against some pretty good bowling and whilst I would've loved for him to be out there longer, he obviously thought it was the right ball to hit and he got out. I would've been disappointed to see him not attack given what he had done throughout the tourney. If you look at his batting and how he approached the first few balls throughout,
1st match vs SL - first two balls he faced he attacks Kulaseraka and Slinga and knocks them for four. This has impacted the SL bowlers and by over two Slinga is already bowling slower balls. Fourth ball, boundary.
2nd match vs Eng - well who can forget how he attacked Broad from ball one. Baz hits 18 off Broad's first over.
3rd match vs OZ - charges Starc on his first delivery and Starc bowls a wide. Next ball tonk, six. Later in the same over, he smashes a full one down the ground for 4.
4th match vs Afghans - first ball down the track and 4. Second ball down the ground 4.
5th match vs Bangles - first ball goes hard and edges past slips and down to third man for 2. Third ball gets on to it early and it goes over midwicket for 4.
QF match vs Windies - first ball and he plays on the back foot and gets a single. Fourth and fifth ball he whips for 4 and then attacks a bouncer and knocks Holder for 6.
SF match vs Saffas - first ball Steyn beats the bat. Second ball Steyn is short and McCullum is all over for 6. Fourth ball, McCullum charges forces Philander to dig in extra short which McCullum tries to hook anyway but doesn't connect and results in 4 byes. Fifth ball and McCullum stays put but Philander is short and McCullum hits him for 6.
Watching highlights on youtube and re-reading some of the stuff on cricinfo and match reports, he certainly made that WC exciting, well for me at least.
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I didn't see anything different to what had been a pretty successful approach throughout the World Cup for McCullum. Yes he came up against some pretty good bowling and whilst I would've loved for him to be out there longer, he obviously thought it was the right ball to hit and he got out. I would've been disappointed to see him not attack given what he had done throughout the tourney. If you look at his batting and how he approached the first few balls throughout,
1st match vs SL - first two balls he faced he attacks Kulaseraka and Slinga and knocks them for four. This has impacted the SL bowlers and by over two Slinga is already bowling slower balls. Fourth ball, boundary.
2nd match vs Eng - well who can forget how he attacked Broad from ball one. Baz hits 18 off Broad's first over.
3rd match vs OZ - charges Starc on his first delivery and Starc bowls a wide. Next ball tonk, six. Later in the same over, he smashes a full one down the ground for 4.
4th match vs Afghans - first ball down the track and 4. Second ball down the ground 4.
5th match vs Bangles - first ball goes hard and edges past slips and down to third man for 2. Third ball gets on to it early and it goes over midwicket for 4.
QF match vs Windies - first ball and he plays on the back foot and gets a single. Fourth and fifth ball he whips for 4 and then attacks a bouncer and knocks Holder for 6.
SF match vs Saffas - first ball Steyn beats the bat. Second ball Steyn is short and McCullum is all over for 6. Fourth ball, McCullum charges forces Philander to dig in extra short which McCullum tries to hook anyway but doesn't connect and results in 4 byes. Fifth ball and McCullum stays put but Philander is short and McCullum hits him for 6.
Watching highlights on youtube and re-reading some of the stuff on cricinfo and match reports, he certainly made that WC exciting, well for me at least.
@ACT-Crusader yes yes your research is all well and good, but what you're failing to grasp is, because he got out, he should have done something different.
