All Blacks v Ireland II
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Shoulder to shoulder? Get out of here, that's shoulder to face and you know it.
Disagree, the angle is mildy deceptive but it is pretty clear the shoulder doesn't touch his face, the impact to the head is the accidental head knock.
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Shoulder to shoulder? Get out of here, that's shoulder to face and you know it.
Disagree, the angle is mildy deceptive but it is pretty clear the shoulder doesn't touch his face, the impact to the head is the accidental head knock.
I'm starting to understand why the Aussies resort to brightly coloured arrows.
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
So what you're saying is that Sexton committed a foul in an attempt to stop a try from being scored. Which is a professional foul. Which is a penalty try and 10 minutes in the bin.
Only a penalty try if the try wasn't scored, only a professional foul if you view it as deliberate (which I don't think it was). Even so, a penalty should have been awarded and a YC wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility, yes.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
So what you're saying is that Sexton committed a foul in an attempt to stop a try from being scored. Which is a professional foul. Which is a penalty try and 10 minutes in the bin.
Only a penalty try if the try wasn't scored, only a professional foul if you view it as deliberate (which I don't think it was). Even so, a penalty should have been awarded and a YC wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility, yes.
I'm disagreeing on intent.
Sexton aimed high and swung his arm at the head.
Lack of injury means it didn't get highlighted.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
So what you're saying is that Sexton committed a foul in an attempt to stop a try from being scored. Which is a professional foul. Which is a penalty try and 10 minutes in the bin.
Only a penalty try if the try wasn't scored, only a professional foul if you view it as deliberate (which I don't think it was). Even so, a penalty should have been awarded and a YC wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility, yes.
I'm disagreeing on intent.
Sexton aimed high and swung his arm at the head.
Lack of injury means it didn't get highlighted.
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
So what you're saying is that Sexton committed a foul in an attempt to stop a try from being scored. Which is a professional foul. Which is a penalty try and 10 minutes in the bin.
Only a penalty try if the try wasn't scored, only a professional foul if you view it as deliberate (which I don't think it was). Even so, a penalty should have been awarded and a YC wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility, yes.
I'm disagreeing on intent.
Sexton aimed high and swung his arm at the head.
Lack of injury means it didn't get highlighted.
Fair enough, looked like Barrett dipped a bit to score the try to me but it's hard to judge intent. As I say, a yellow wouldn't have been disproportionate either way.
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Shoulder to shoulder? Get out of here, that's shoulder to face and you know it.
Disagree, the angle is mildy deceptive but it is pretty clear the shoulder doesn't touch his face, the impact to the head is the accidental head knock.
I'm starting to understand why the Aussies resort to brightly coloured arrows.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Shoulder to shoulder? Get out of here, that's shoulder to face and you know it.
Disagree, the angle is mildy deceptive but it is pretty clear the shoulder doesn't touch his face, the impact to the head is the accidental head knock.
I'm starting to understand why the Aussies resort to brightly coloured arrows.
The video is shot at or below waist height and Cane is closer to the shot which makes him look slightly bigger. Better angles (you know, the ones shot from the professional camera crew) showed there was no contact. I'm honestly amazed you're trying to argue otherwise.
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To expand on that, even if that shit angle was available to the refs why would they use it when other angles were able to clarify what happened? It's like if a try is scored and one angle shows a clear try, and another shows it looks short. They're not going to ignore the angle that shows the try and rule no try.
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I spent the first half furious with Peyper, the first 20 of the second half furious at our own players discipline.
The A smith card was ridiculous, the reffing of the ruck turnovers was ridiculous. Realising this ABs should have changed their approach and contested more rucks, but then Peyper ....... When we did contest we got nothing or penalised for our troubles. It was very strange.
But. Ref blaming cry babying gets us no where. Need to learn from this and break the perception.
Irish pack are awesome.
Although I registered that both Henshaw and Sexton went off, didn't really think about them as a combo on the spine, and their attacking cohesiveness.
Very annoyed in real time with Barrett's dickheadery with trying to run that try too close to the posts. Although in hindsight should have been a 10 point try or opposition down to 14, could have accidentally paid off if Peyper didn't get annoyed with his own TMO ......
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I spent the first half furious with Peyper, the first 20 of the second half furious at our own players discipline.
The A smith card was ridiculous, the reffing of the ruck turnovers was ridiculous. Realising this ABs should have changed their approach and contested more rucks, but then Peyper ....... When we did contest we got nothing or penalised for our troubles. It was very strange.
But. Ref blaming cry babying gets us no where. Need to learn from this and break the perception.
Irish pack are awesome.
Although I registered that both Henshaw and Sexton went off, didn't really think about them as a combo on the spine, and their attacking cohesiveness.
Very annoyed in real time with Barrett's dickheadery with trying to run that try too close to the posts. Although in hindsight should have been a 10 point try or opposition down to 14, could have accidentally paid off if Peyper didn't get annoyed with his own TMO ......
@Rapido said in Ireland II:
Very annoyed in real time with Barrett's dickheadery with trying to run that try too close to the posts. Although in hindsight should have been a 10 point try or opposition down to 14, could have accidentally paid off if Peyper didn't get annoyed with his own TMO ......
HE ran close to increases kicking percentage.
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@Rapido said in Ireland II:
Very annoyed in real time with Barrett's dickheadery with trying to run that try too close to the posts. Although in hindsight should have been a 10 point try or opposition down to 14, could have accidentally paid off if Peyper didn't get annoyed with his own TMO ......
HE ran close to increases kicking percentage.
@broughie said in Ireland II:
@Rapido said in Ireland II:
Very annoyed in real time with Barrett's dickheadery with trying to run that try too close to the posts. Although in hindsight should have been a 10 point try or opposition down to 14, could have accidentally paid off if Peyper didn't get annoyed with his own TMO ......
HE ran close to increases kicking percentage.
No shit. But it wasn't on. And when he realised it wasn't on, instead of just diving he kept trying to get behind.
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Thought it was ok. On replay the irishsr played it with his palms 'up'. Normally it's a slap down.
In normal time it looked dodgy though!
That refereeing performance by peyper is second only to a Wayne Barnes classic against the ABs. Dreadful.
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@Tordah said in Ireland II:
Perenara please!!!! Fuck A Smith has been terrible since his toilet adventure
Yep he has been ordinary. He is not right upstairs.
We can assume he is still in top knick downstairs though
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@Luigi
The joy at your return was very short lived -
@Luigi my apologies. I'd rather invite my ex around for a cup of coffee and say" you've got 80 uninterrupted minutes to point out my failings as a husband " than listen to him.
I'd imagine she'd need longer than that
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Have to say that Feki head high is one of the worst I have seen for some time and lucky not to get a red.
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Cane's tackle on Henshaw is clearly shoulder to shoulder at the same time (or possibly slightly after) the head clash. Shit luck for Henshaw...he'll be hurting.
However, the Irish fans are culpable for Cane's actions. I distinctly remember 50,000 people pre- game inciting Cane. They said "....shoulder to shoulder, we'll answer Ireland's call."
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@Tordah said in Ireland II:
Payne wins a turnover on his knee, or as the Irish commentators call it "on his feet"
None so blind as those who will not see.
We lost a pen in the first half when BFA lost his feet at a ruck while the Irish player (22 ?) was scrambling around on his hands and knees.
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@Tordah said in Ireland II:
None so blind as those who will not see.
Freeeeeee Nelson Man De La!!
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Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Definiteitely big head clash first which means what happens next is severely compromised. When two players come together as quickly as that, the collision happens before anything else can.
Shouldn't be acted upon imo
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I'm just watching a replay, I'm at the 57 minute mark, and i just want to say, Peyper is fucking us, there are 2 sets of rules being played here. The leeway given to Ireland at the ruck is criminal, while every single little thing by us is blown.
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@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
That was a clear yellow. Swinging arm round the temples.
I don't think Barrett grounded it but should have been a yellow and penalty try.
Fekitoa deserved yellow. Canes was a head clash that made it look bad on slo mo.
