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@JC plus the harder you push against someones belief in X the more they resist (in general terms). Which is why the (made up) anecdotal stories shared on social media piss all over actual evidence and hard data for so many of these folks.
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While obviously she's the expert but to claim the pro disease crowd is not the problem is not 100% right and also in a bit silly considering the way anti vaxxers live in an alternate reality you can guarantee the pro disease crowd are going to twist her words and amongst other things use it as evidence that vaccines don't work. Are anti vaxxers the problem?
Somali community has measles outbreak due to myths spread by anti vaxxers https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/08/24/measles-vaccinated-somali-american-children-up-more-outbreak
Polios making a comeback due to anti vaxxers https://aeon.co/essays/how-anti-vaxxers-fuel-the-spread-of-polio
4 diseases making a comeback due to the pro disease crowd https://time.com/27308/4-diseases-making-a-comeback-thanks-to-anti-vaxxers/
Also anti vaxxers like to harass the parents of dead kids https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/19/health/anti-vax-harassment-eprise/index.html
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@jegga I guess the point she is trying to make is that the health ministry dropped the ball to a degree by not being proactive enough about making sure immunizations were done
One look at that headline is going to lead to about 10000 facebook posts along the lines of "see? I told you so, vaccines don't really work". She should have worded what she said better to avoid it being twisted to suit the lunatic agenda .
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@jegga I guess the point she is trying to make is that the health ministry dropped the ball to a degree by not being proactive enough about making sure immunizations were done
One look at that headline is going to lead to about 10000 facebook posts along the lines of "see? I told you so, vaccines don't really work". She should have worded what she said better to avoid it being twisted to suit the lunatic agenda .
They will pick out the bits that suit their narrative. Perhaps she should have said the health system failed to adequately counteract the effects of apathy and misinformation over vaccinations
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
They will pick out the bits that suit their narrative
You mean like: Antivaxers are not the problem
Exactly. Its probably already trending on twitter.
She should have said anti vaxxers are part of the problem or something along those lines . I bet some of her colleagues are gutted about what she said , you can’t take that back and knowing how disingenuous the pro diseases crowd is that article is going to be used by them as evidence that their lunacy isn’t part of the issue .
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Put a wall around Titirangi for the good of the city
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Lance O’Sullivan says what we all think...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264246
New Zealand's leaders needed to make decisions that were "bold and courageous and sometimes not always that popular", he said.
Why wouldn't it be popular? It's only a shrieking minority that won't like it.
Shrieking minority? Freedom of decisions without govt interference? Seems there are some conflictions there.
But he is correct. Govts need to be very strong to push through this kind of law.
Sorry am missing your point.
Who said anything about freedom from government interference?
(And by the way name pretty much any activity that is free from government interference.)
I was being facetious. Ignore. Don't want this heading to the Politics forum
Ok. Am still wooshed though...
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Every time I talk about this I get angry. Someone at work has a relative who is immunocompromised and basically can't leave the house for fear of getting sick and dying. I have another patient with a 7 week old child, they must be shitting themselves every time they go out.
Canefan's proposal to start legislating against stupid
- All daycare facilities, kindergartens and schools must keep vaccination status records of their children by law. If not they get no government funding
- All children must be immunised /vaccinated and have written proof in order to enrol into government funded schools/daycares/kindies
If stupid people choose not to vaccinate they can home school or go to unregistered day care facilities. Their choice
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@Rembrandt said in Woo:
@canefan I like this proposal with the addition ofthe benefit removal. Will then catch both the higher and lower income antivax folk
Lower SE people have an excuse, being lesser educated and less financial means. No one else has any excuse
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All daycare facilities, kindergartens and schools must keep vaccination status records of their children by law.
Yeah. You can't put your dog in a boarding kennel without taking it's vaccination cert, but feel free to leave your kid amongst the disease ridden...
Your average anti-vaxxer probably takes better care of their pets
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Watch out, soon even their pets won't be safe
Some Anti-Vaxxers Aren't Getting Their Pets Vaccinated. Here's Why That's So Dangerous
It's vitally important to vaccinate your pets, experts say
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Every time I talk about this I get angry. Someone at work has a relative who is immunocompromised and basically can't leave the house for fear of getting sick and dying. I have another patient with a 7 week old child, they must be shitting themselves every time they go out.
Canefan's proposal to start legislating against stupid
- All daycare facilities, kindergartens and schools must keep vaccination status records of their children by law. If not they get no government funding
- All children must be immunised /vaccinated and have written proof in order to enrol into government funded schools/daycares/kindies
If stupid people choose not to vaccinate they can home school or go to unregistered day care facilities. Their choice
3 public floggings for anyone who says “ what’s the big deal ? Measles are only spots that go away in a week or so “.
4 anyone who says “ I’ve done my own research “ has to give Ursula Carlson a sponge bath every day for a year .
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