Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles
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@jegga said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Hooroo said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
I see in the news this morning Smith is pumping Fozzie to take over from Hansen
@Hooroo said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
I see in the news this morning Smith is pumping Fozzie to take over from Hansen
Interesting, he knows what sort of coach he better than any of us but his time at the Chiefs still makes me wonder if he's up to it.
Fozzies biggest problem at the Chiefs was selections. He was so random and tried way to hard to mix it up. It was really baffling at times.
In an ABs set up he won't be the sole selector and will have probably learned a lot over these years. I reckon Shag and Smithie are pretty good judges so if they reckon he's the man then I wouldn't discount that at all.@Crucial said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Fozzies biggest problem at the Chiefs was selections. He was so random and tried way to hard to mix it up. It was really baffling at times.
In an ABs set up he won't be the sole selector and will have probably learned a lot over these years. I reckon Shag and Smithie are pretty good judges so if they reckon he's the man then I wouldn't discount that at all.Wayne-o touched on the Chiefs and said anyone who judges him by that doesn't credit people with the ability to learn and grow. I'd be nervous about Fossie, but I wasn't sure that Hansen would make a good leader either. So, really, what the hell do I know about what goes on behind closed doors, and if Smith rates him, maybe I should too.
It just feels wrong.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11860063
*Smith was quick to point to the fact that Foster guided the team to a semifinal and final during his tenure.
"I think that's a non-thinking throw-away line that doesn't make sense to me," Smith said. "That takes away the attitude that everyone can learn and everyone can improve."*
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@booboo ha yeah I saw that...Twattue, the anti-nostradamus!
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@booboo said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Just a thought...
...what happened to Tony Gilbert post 2001?
He went Scotland for a while , after that I don't know. Maybe they would have gone better as a team if their roles were reversed?
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If Smith is endorsing Foster as the next head coach then that is enough for me. He would know Foster's ability better than just about anyone else.
My concern is to make sure he has enough quality assistants to support him post 2020. Hopefully at least one of Rennie, Cotter, Joseph, Boyd or Plumtree make themselves available to be assistant coaches under him so that fresh thinking is injected into the panel.
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@Wurzel said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Foster and Boyd wouldn't fill me with confidence.
What's your issue with Boyd? He turned around a franchise that hadn't made the finals in about 6 years and got them to two finals, winning one.
@Nepia said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Wurzel said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Foster and Boyd wouldn't fill me with confidence.
What's your issue with Boyd? He turned around a franchise that hadn't made the finals in about 6 years and got them to two finals, winning one.
I guess because of his record with Wellington? Wellington seem to be to coaches in the npc what blues are in super rugby.
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@Nepia said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Wurzel said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Foster and Boyd wouldn't fill me with confidence.
What's your issue with Boyd? He turned around a franchise that hadn't made the finals in about 6 years and got them to two finals, winning one.
I guess because of his record with Wellington? Wellington seem to be to coaches in the npc what blues are in super rugby.
@jegga said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Nepia said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Wurzel said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Foster and Boyd wouldn't fill me with confidence.
What's your issue with Boyd? He turned around a franchise that hadn't made the finals in about 6 years and got them to two finals, winning one.
I guess because of his record with Wellington? Wellington seem to be to coaches in the npc what blues are in super rugby.
Didn't he make the final one time, which for Wellington is actually an achievement.
He's had two and a bit years with the Canes now and they're a competitive team who have turned over a few stars while remaining near the top of the tree so not sure why his credentials would be questioned.
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@jegga said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Hooroo said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
I see in the news this morning Smith is pumping Fozzie to take over from Hansen
@Hooroo said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
I see in the news this morning Smith is pumping Fozzie to take over from Hansen
Interesting, he knows what sort of coach he better than any of us but his time at the Chiefs still makes me wonder if he's up to it.
Fozzies biggest problem at the Chiefs was selections. He was so random and tried way to hard to mix it up. It was really baffling at times.
In an ABs set up he won't be the sole selector and will have probably learned a lot over these years. I reckon Shag and Smithie are pretty good judges so if they reckon he's the man then I wouldn't discount that at all.@Crucial said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@jegga said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Hooroo said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
I see in the news this morning Smith is pumping Fozzie to take over from Hansen
@Hooroo said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
I see in the news this morning Smith is pumping Fozzie to take over from Hansen
Interesting, he knows what sort of coach he better than any of us but his time at the Chiefs still makes me wonder if he's up to it.
Fozzies biggest problem at the Chiefs was selections. He was so random and tried way to hard to mix it up. It was really baffling at times.
In an ABs set up he won't be the sole selector and will have probably learned a lot over these years. I reckon Shag and Smithie are pretty good judges so if they reckon he's the man then I wouldn't discount that at all.fozzies biggest problem at the chiefs was losing all the damn time.
then rennie took over and won, immediately.
you would hope he has learned a lot, because he was shithouse back then. -
@Wurzel said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Foster and Boyd wouldn't fill me with confidence.
Why not?
@booboo they're not from Christchurch
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Hi I'm Chris Boyd, I've been riding Mark Hammett's coat tails for two and a half seasons
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Hi I'm Chris Boyd, I've been riding Mark Hammett's coat tails for two and a half seasons
@ACT-Crusader said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Hi I'm Chris Boyd, I've been riding Mark Hammett's coat tails for two and a half seasons
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Probably the most influential person in NZ rugby over the past 20 years on the field (arguably Hobbs more important in general).
As Tew pointed out today he pretty much built the Crusaders dynasty from the gutter, was a key coach under both Henry and Hansen and most importantly his ability to humble himself (for lack of a better word) and come back as an assistant without any whiff of bitterness or naked ambition after being the head coach was the key part of the cultural shift that happened under Henry. Rejected big money, team was always first and gave everything his all. Makes it a lot easier to preach sacrifice to the playing group.
Don't think Henry gets a second stab if Smith isn't on the ticket coming back in 2008. Hansen was viewed as the weak link and the pitchforks were out for Ted.
In terms of a replacement Nigel Yalden threw up the following names as suggestions Alistair Rogers (former video analyst, current Blues coach) - surely too soon & Boyd and/or Plumtree - reasonable candidates.
My initial feeling after listening to the press conference was that there is a strong overseas candidate they believe will apply, very clearly stating they are waiving the previous provision that you have to be NZ based for these types of roles.
Pretty obvious candidate for me that hasn't been mentioned. That former Canterbury coach working in Japan seems like he would be and ideal candidate if he wanted to return to NZ. Clear ties going back with the Hansen, Tew, Shand infrastructure too.
Unless he goes off the board and out of NZ with someone like White (who is just starting a gig) or his mate Meyer (unemployed) I don't see any other strong candidate with a strong enough candidate who doesn't have compelling employment elsewhere.
@mariner4life said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Siam Hammett has as much chance of being an All Black coach as Ian fucking Foster
Foster has been part of an unbelievably successful All Blacks team. Wayne Smith thinks highly of him.
@rotated said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Pretty obvious candidate for me that hasn't been mentioned. That former Canterbury coach working in Japan seems like he would be and ideal candidate if he wanted to return to NZ. Clear ties going back with the Hansen, Tew, Shand infrastructure too.
He's burned those bridges. Fuck him.
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@mariner4life said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Siam Hammett has as much chance of being an All Black coach as Ian fucking Foster
Foster has been part of an unbelievably successful All Blacks team. Wayne Smith thinks highly of him.
@rotated said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Pretty obvious candidate for me that hasn't been mentioned. That former Canterbury coach working in Japan seems like he would be and ideal candidate if he wanted to return to NZ. Clear ties going back with the Hansen, Tew, Shand infrastructure too.
He's burned those bridges. Fuck him.
@antipodean said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Foster has been part of an unbelievably successful All Blacks team. Wayne Smith thinks highly of him.
Wayne Smith thinks highly of him, but Wayne Smith has never been a world reknowned columnist for the New Zealand Herald.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11860376
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@antipodean said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Foster has been part of an unbelievably successful All Blacks team. Wayne Smith thinks highly of him.
Wayne Smith thinks highly of him, but Wayne Smith has never been a world reknowned columnist for the New Zealand Herald.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11860376
@Salacious-Crumb fair point. Rattue's record of success can't be denied.
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@mariner4life said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
@Siam Hammett has as much chance of being an All Black coach as Ian fucking Foster
Foster has been part of an unbelievably successful All Blacks team. Wayne Smith thinks highly of him.
@rotated said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
Pretty obvious candidate for me that hasn't been mentioned. That former Canterbury coach working in Japan seems like he would be and ideal candidate if he wanted to return to NZ. Clear ties going back with the Hansen, Tew, Shand infrastructure too.
He's burned those bridges. Fuck him.
@antipodean said in Wayne Smith retiring from All Blacks roles:
He's burned those bridges. Fuck him.
How did he burn any bridges? He went as far as he could NZ without attempting to become an All Black in his mid 40s thus qualifying for a Super Rugby gig.
Penney would be opened back to NZ rugby I believe.
