Americas Cup
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@Crazy-Horse said in Americas Cup:
12 knot winds and up to 40 knot boat speed
Fuck. Off. That is some straight-up bullshit.
A flagrant disregard for the basic laws of physics on par with the Japanese and their goddamn iceblocks you need a BBQ to eat.@Kruse said in Americas Cup:
@Crazy-Horse said in Americas Cup:
12 knot winds and up to 40 knot boat speed
Fuck. Off. That is some straight-up bullshit.
A flagrant disregard for the basic laws of physics on par with the Japanese and their goddamn iceblocks you need a BBQ to eat.I'm amazed at how they turn still on the foils. +3 min margin is amazing in what are supposed to be comparable boats. Be interesting to see if there's that disparity amongst the challengers and what improvements they can make.
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it is apparent they have drier powder
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@Kruse said in Americas Cup:
@Crazy-Horse said in Americas Cup:
12 knot winds and up to 40 knot boat speed
Fuck. Off. That is some straight-up bullshit.
A flagrant disregard for the basic laws of physics on par with the Japanese and their goddamn iceblocks you need a BBQ to eat.I'm amazed at how they turn still on the foils. +3 min margin is amazing in what are supposed to be comparable boats. Be interesting to see if there's that disparity amongst the challengers and what improvements they can make.
@antipodean TNZ vs USA in race 4 will give us a better gauge of relative boat speeds.
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Ainslie and Team UK are not looking good. The criticism of their boat seems on the money.
Imagine going to sponsor meetings based on this performance.
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Watching USA go into one of the turns at what seemed close to full speed and maintain it was amazing.
Those things are a sight to behold!
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Ainslie and Team UK are not looking good. The criticism of their boat seems on the money.
Imagine going to sponsor meetings based on this performance.
@antipodean said in Americas Cup:
@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Ainslie and Team UK are not looking good. The criticism of their boat seems on the money.
Imagine going to sponsor meetings based on this performance.
Ratcliffe has got billions to spare.
But he won't like funding losers.They are meant to be racing Luna Rossa next race.
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So - I finally managed to get some coverage of this... and just saw the UK give up on this race... did the same happen in the previous?
And it seems... that if they ain't moving, these boats are pretty much useless? -
@Kruse yeah I dont think they have sleeping quarters, rod holders or even a fridge for the beers.
@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
@Kruse yeah I dont think they have sleeping quarters, rod holders or even a fridge for the beers.
No fridge? That is the last fucking straw... it's one thing to disregard physics, but forgetting the beers is grade-A fluffybunnery.
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Americans look to have some speed.
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I'm surprised the Iwi let them paint all those lines on the Waitemata.
Local taniwha can't be happy being tagged with brand-names and shit. -
Dean Barker did his best choke ..this time to help NZ, but we were not good enough to take advantage..happy to see racing though, rather than just talk
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Too many mistakes from TNZ so far, starting with the pre-start.
I have a mate whos a hard out sailor, has a boat he competes in, I was talking to him about how at least we have a competitor in USA, I didn't see loosing as a big deal
his response was we were sandbagging it, trying not the kill the whole thing off before it starts
I don't know if I would go that far but we definitely seemed to be taking the hard option at every turn, doing stuff we didn't need to, to me it looked like we were trying to put some pressure on ourselves to see what we needed to work on. Considering we made up 500m on the second to last leg with on decision, got in front and then added another jibe that we didn't need to do according to the commentators...I hope im right
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@Kruse said in Americas Cup:
I'm surprised the Iwi let them paint all those lines on the Waitemata.
Local taniwha can't be happy being tagged with brand-names and shit.the graphics looked ropy to be fair. all over the place
@nzzp yeah, I didn't think they looked as good as the last few comps, very strange
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Too many mistakes from TNZ so far, starting with the pre-start.
I have a mate whos a hard out sailor, has a boat he competes in, I was talking to him about how at least we have a competitor in USA, I didn't see loosing as a big deal
his response was we were sandbagging it, trying not the kill the whole thing off before it starts
I don't know if I would go that far but we definitely seemed to be taking the hard option at every turn, doing stuff we didn't need to, to me it looked like we were trying to put some pressure on ourselves to see what we needed to work on. Considering we made up 500m on the second to last leg with on decision, got in front and then added another jibe that we didn't need to do according to the commentators...I hope im right
@Kiwiwomble I don't think TNZ were sandbagging but this is their only opportunity to try things in match race conditions, and all the pressure that comes with that. They will be using these races to learn more about the boat. But you can bet they will want to beat Barker and co on Sat.
As to the coverage, the live footage seemed a freeze occasionally as the boats stopped and then jumped ahead.
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Too many mistakes from TNZ so far, starting with the pre-start.
I have a mate whos a hard out sailor, has a boat he competes in, I was talking to him about how at least we have a competitor in USA, I didn't see loosing as a big deal
his response was we were sandbagging it, trying not the kill the whole thing off before it starts
I don't know if I would go that far but we definitely seemed to be taking the hard option at every turn, doing stuff we didn't need to, to me it looked like we were trying to put some pressure on ourselves to see what we needed to work on. Considering we made up 500m on the second to last leg with on decision, got in front and then added another jibe that we didn't need to do according to the commentators...I hope im right
@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Too many mistakes from TNZ so far, starting with the pre-start.
I have a mate whos a hard out sailor, has a boat he competes in, I was talking to him about how at least we have a competitor in USA, I didn't see loosing as a big deal
his response was we were sandbagging it, trying not the kill the whole thing off before it starts
I don't know if I would go that far but we definitely seemed to be taking the hard option at every turn, doing stuff we didn't need to, to me it looked like we were trying to put some pressure on ourselves to see what we needed to work on. Considering we made up 500m on the second to last leg with on decision, got in front and then added another jibe that we didn't need to do according to the commentators...I hope im right
Maybe some "dry powder" going on but we were experimenting / practising a few things it seemed.
Re the coverage - I wish they would put up the VMG more, rather than boat speed. They can go as fast as they like, but it has to be in the correct direction. It's like saying how fast Dmac is running across field.
It did appear that we could point higher, as well as a bit better downwind when we were trying to catch up for most of the race after the botched start. We will tidy up our execution of some of the foiling maneuvers, we did in Bermuda.
Love the boats though. The cats were more of a drag race. These beasts have more speed, can point higher and therefor have a little more scope to play with lay lines v boatspeed, can play the actual match racing game - as the Americas cup should be (Barker showed that with all of his covering) and all of the technology / design as well.
The yanks also did well to get a Kiwi skipper and remove a bit of the local knowledge advantage that we have.
