Americas Cup
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Team UK's struggles in light winds becomes apparent in the pre-start.
They definitely need a decent blow to get it up, otherwise they are just flopping about.
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@Machpants said in Americas Cup:
@Snowy bloody windy in NLD, so I guess breeze maybe up a bit on yesterday?
Probably about the same as yesterday afternoon's second race. NE, with the sea breeze filling it in. Forecast for 24kph, so about 13 knots. Enough for Ineos to get it up but they were still relatively slow and struggled to maneuver. They will want more than that - might get it, but is pretty still where I am north of Auckland and we are on a ridge facing NE.
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A different course today, so wind conditions are also different.
https://twitter.com/americascup/status/1360704027080679432?s=20
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
A different course today, so wind conditions are also different.
A NE with about 14 knots was about the same as race two yesterday, although they did adjust the course for the second race.
@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
A different course today, so wind conditions are also different.
A NE with about 14 knots was about the same as race two yesterday, although they did adjust the course for the second race.
The commentators were saying that the changes in wind direction will be greater in course E so there should be more passing lanes.
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@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
A different course today, so wind conditions are also different.
A NE with about 14 knots was about the same as race two yesterday, although they did adjust the course for the second race.
The commentators were saying that the changes in wind direction will be greater in course E so there should be more passing lanes.
@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
The commentators were saying that the changes in wind direction will be greater in course E so there should be more passing lanes.
Makes sense. It's more in the lee of Waiheke with a NE. Actually all of the courses except A have significant "swirl" and land mass effect. It does make it more of a sailing skill test than a drag race which is good.
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Seems to be a bit of disagreement about how course E will play out. I'm going with the sailors rather than Murray.
Murray: “It’s a good piece of water – a big expansive piece of water, the sea state is consistent, no bends in the winds,” he said.
Murray said the Island is 2-3 miles to the eastern end of the course, and shouldn’t play much of a role.Bruni:
Francesco Bruni, the helmsman of yesterday’s two-race winner Luna Rossa had thought Course E might be shiftier, and less predicatable, with wind coming over and around Waiheke Island to the east.
“I expect more shifts, maybe some lead changes,” said Bruni after Saturday’s racing .Ainslie:
“The wind is coming again in a northeasterly direction and there will be a few wind shifts in there. So it will be interesting.” -
Luna Rossa kicking ass, 3-0, killed Ineos at the start and never gave them a shot.
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Team UK needs to win the start but Spithill is so good at dictating play.
yeah, it really is becoming a win the start = win the race situation as the teams are making less outright mistakes than earlier so one in front you can dictate things
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@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Team UK needs to win the start but Spithill is so good at dictating play.
yeah, it really is becoming a win the start = win the race situation as the teams are making less outright mistakes than earlier so one in front you can dictate things
@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@Bovidae said in Americas Cup:
Team UK needs to win the start but Spithill is so good at dictating play.
yeah, it really is becoming a win the start = win the race situation as the teams are making less outright mistakes than earlier so one in front you can dictate things
In medium winds not much in it speed wise. So either win start -- or get lucky with wind shift, of which not many.
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Ineos just aren’t nimble enough in the start box to force the issue. Funny because I thought that would be the biggest worry for anyone sailing against them as Ainslie is a very good starting tactician.
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random late thought for the day as it's been bothering me since the weekend (obviously doing some procrastination here..).. only saw a little bit of racing on the weekend but I noticed this - can anyone explain why on the downwind legs the italians go straight down the course - as you'd expect - while the poms sail out to the sideline on an almost 45 degree angle. they were losing so much ground every time they did this
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random late thought for the day as it's been bothering me since the weekend (obviously doing some procrastination here..).. only saw a little bit of racing on the weekend but I noticed this - can anyone explain why on the downwind legs the italians go straight down the course - as you'd expect - while the poms sail out to the sideline on an almost 45 degree angle. they were losing so much ground every time they did this
@WillieTheWaiter I don't think they are, if you look at the lines, they are diverging from the "535m" line
these boats don't have spinnakers or the like like the old ones so theyre always going to have to go side to side to some extent to catch the wind
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@WillieTheWaiter I don't think they are, if you look at the lines, they are diverging from the "535m" line
these boats don't have spinnakers or the like like the old ones so theyre always going to have to go side to side to some extent to catch the wind
@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@WillieTheWaiter I don't think they are, if you look at the lines, they are diverging from the "535m" line
these boats don't have spinnakers or the like like the old ones so theyre always going to have to go side to side to some extent to catch the wind
But the Italians seem to be able to "point higher" as Lester puts it. The ability to take a more direct course to the mark while maintaining speed is an obvious advantage
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@Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@WillieTheWaiter I don't think they are, if you look at the lines, they are diverging from the "535m" line
these boats don't have spinnakers or the like like the old ones so theyre always going to have to go side to side to some extent to catch the wind
But the Italians seem to be able to "point higher" as Lester puts it. The ability to take a more direct course to the mark while maintaining speed is an obvious advantage
@canefan yeah, they do have a better VMG, ours was normally a bit better too so the AC could be interesting if LR get through
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although with Ineos being the trailing boat doesnt that affect alot of thier tactics?
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although with Ineos being the trailing boat doesnt that affect alot of thier tactics?
@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
although with Ineos being the trailing boat doesnt that affect alot of thier tactics?
Spittle was very good at covering INEOS all the way. Their stodgy boat can't win a start, and Ainslie isn't helping. If they lose the start they are done. We will wait and see if Prada has the gas to overtake when trailing
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with the team getting more settled and making less big/noticeable mistakes.....win the start and tack on top = win the race
some interesting commentary the other day about these courses being quite small for boats going this fast, no room to really split too much to find different air
