The Breakdown (TV Show)
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Cut the Breakdown and bring back RE-UNION
@Canes4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
Cut the Breakdown and bring back RE-UNION
Yep, and for a win-win, TJ hosts Reunion and is banned from commentating Canterbury, Crusaders, Ta$man and Blues (for the opposite reason) matches.
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that
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@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that
@ACT-Crusader said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that
actually, it really has. You get insights on here you don't get elsewhere - but modern Rugby moves very very fast. What you don't get is any sort of meaningful analysis in main stream media.
Think about it: die hard rugby fans, many season ticket holders, but there are no 'must watch' tv shows between games. NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences. NFL has traformed itself into a 12 month enteratinment package, despite only playing 5 meaningful months a year. Rugby is the opposite - 11 months of blegh.
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@Dan54 said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
i watched my first episode of this show ever this week
Goldie actually made a couple of insightful points about how Super Rugby teams were attacking this year, which got absolutely zero traction, and that segment ended very quickly.
JK just said every Blues player should be in the All Blacks. And the Blues should be favourite for the title. And the Blues... and the Blues...
Mils smiled and nodded and said nothing
The main presenter who i didn't know just teed up golf balls for the others to swing at.
There was the making of an interesting show, but it was missed.
Which is what happens too often, I was like you ,when Goldie tried to bring up about attacking systems etc,, was pissed when it just went nowhere.
I will add why I enjoy Aotearoa Rugby Pod so enjoyable, Parsons and Hall actually discuss how they think teams are playing, and how they are attacking/defending etc, and you feel you learn something while watching it usually.I echo that, the Aotearoa Rugby Pod is a good watch because they actually get into the nitty gritty of each game. The Breakdown is completely inconsistent with their segments.
Guys like Karl Te Nana are so bloody cringe, I’d rather listen to someone like Hall or Parsons any day of the week because they actually know how to analyse the game instead of competing to see who has the biggest mouth.
@Canes4life I take Te Nana at face value. I’m not expecting insight on the intricacies of plates etc. He’s more a colour comments guy given his enthusiasm and love for the game.
I don’t mind Bryn Hall’s analysis. Parsons knows the game but his commentary comes across too much like he’s acting as the smartest guy in the room. Not a fan
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that
actually, it really has. You get insights on here you don't get elsewhere - but modern Rugby moves very very fast. What you don't get is any sort of meaningful analysis in main stream media.
Think about it: die hard rugby fans, many season ticket holders, but there are no 'must watch' tv shows between games. NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences. NFL has traformed itself into a 12 month enteratinment package, despite only playing 5 meaningful months a year. Rugby is the opposite - 11 months of blegh.
@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences
Sky take the core audience for granted and constantly chase other groups (women, teenagers etc). Of course they should be attempting to attract a larger audience but it seems to be at the exclusion of fans who want a bit more detail.
It doesn't have to be an expensive production either. It seems most people on TSF are just asking for some more analysis and a show that has higher opinion of it's audiences knowledge/curiosity.
I thought 1014 was relatively successful? I don't think Sky provides anything for their old audience
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@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences
Sky take the core audience for granted and constantly chase other groups (women, teenagers etc). Of course they should be attempting to attract a larger audience but it seems to be at the exclusion of fans who want a bit more detail.
It doesn't have to be an expensive production either. It seems most people on TSF are just asking for some more analysis and a show that has higher opinion of it's audiences knowledge/curiosity.
I thought 1014 was relatively successful? I don't think Sky provides anything for their old audience
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@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences
Sky take the core audience for granted and constantly chase other groups (women, teenagers etc). Of course they should be attempting to attract a larger audience but it seems to be at the exclusion of fans who want a bit more detail.
It doesn't have to be an expensive production either. It seems most people on TSF are just asking for some more analysis and a show that has higher opinion of it's audiences knowledge/curiosity.
I thought 1014 was relatively successful? I don't think Sky provides anything for their old audience
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All comes down to money in the end.
Would take a big investment of time and resources to turn around an analysis driven show in quick order.
Those 1014 guys did it themselves and it wasn’t quick. Also wasn’t sustainable.
Maybe an early week show with some talk points from the weekend, what the results mean towards the end game, what is coming up, who might be rested, who got injured etc
A play analysis show mid week. Pick up on new plays/tactics. What is working for teams and where they might be going wrong. Could also update the injury info and provide some season stats to pump players and create interest.
Trying to cover all of that stuff and failing because the focus is on sound bites and opinions isn’t working. If they did those other shows then there is room for the opinion stuff as a separate show.
Also more package pieces on players and coaches would be welcome. Where they’ve come from, an interview etc -
The problem with this show is just as much due to the hosts and guests as with the content. Wilson is the only main host who adds some value, and even he can't save it. I watched it briefly for the second time this year when Stanway was hosting and Bates was one of the guests. I swear he was only there to make JK look intelligent.
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Although it wasn't Breakdown, I really enjoyed the after game of the Canes /Tahs last night, thought the interviews with Holland and Darren Coleman in particular was good, Coleman/Wilson and Perenara were discussing tastics and what's going worng for Tahs in a real interetsing (for me anyway) way, no smartarse just talking about what was going wrong etc. Enjoyed whole thing really.
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky I watched it , what did he say? I didn't notice him say anything controversial.
Did enjoy listening to Hansen, and his take on Wallabies, though I think he was just assuring Rancid and a few other posters he didn't actually coach Wallabies, and he would be telling Foster how Wallabies saw they needed to prep against French. Actually thought the most interesting thing he said was about Wallabies missing having leadership group as such . -
And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown
Isn't this every week?
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
Marijuana, Mosque Shootings, Vaping, Rugby…..wow is there anything Paddy Gower ISN’T an authority on ?
You’ve really got to bow to his amazingness in every way.
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
Take a deep breath, Helen Lovejoy. You want a public apology for that? Good grief.
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@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
Take a deep breath, Helen Lovejoy. You want a public apology for that? Good grief.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
@sparky I understand your point, but I doubt any team will get any extra motivation from what an ex AB says on a rugby programme. I must admit to watching Breakdown without being a huge fan (I just watch rugby stuff anywhere), bit by christ I watched a lot of them while in living in Aussie, and never once thought 'gee the ABs will get fired up after that comment'. I think if a coach or present player says something you can use, but I doubt whether all this put on dressing room wall is really anything. We get Stuart Barnes, etc saying stuff rubbishing ABs (and plenty more) I would assume ABs wouldn't even read it and if did, would shrug shoulders. I used to laugh when mates would say that about Kearnsie, Marto ,Kafe, Harrison etc in Aus, it's their opinion, were paid to give it and if it's what players use to get fired up, then players got probkems.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
merde! i was going to cruise through this World Cup opener against Nouvelle Zelande, but now that a former player said some shit on a TV show i don't watch, i might actually smash someone
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Shock horror. Sports show commercial TV panel features provocative commentary from former player. What do you think these guys are paid to do, for goodness sake? If they turned up in tweed jackets, sagely nodding and sounding reasonable and measured, how do you think the ratings would go? These players turned pundits are paid to have strong opinions and express them emphatically with the intention of appalling half the audience and enthralling the other half. That’s what the media is for. It’s an attention-generating business. Your job as a sports broadcaster is to generate engagement so that the company you work for can sell maximum eyeballs to advertisers at the highest yield. And you do that by making big statements that get shared through tweets like Andy Goode’s.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
