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All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3

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  • DonsteppaD Offline
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    #513

    Time for Ian Foster and Wayne Smith to finally earn their money this series. The backs have been average on attack and poor defensively.

    Whoever the psychologist is should have been spending all week with TJP on cool heads.

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      J Barrett is the luckiest All Black since some of those Cantab nuffies of the early 2000s.

      While i can understand the logic behind bringing Savea in, i still think it's fucking rough on Ioane.

      Forwards better front up, but that's easier said than done when you look at who they have to beat. That's a fucking good pack.

      Remember before the tour when it was widely accepted by the 3rd test the Lions would be scratching around the waterfront bars of Auckland to find enough fit Brits to make a team? Yea, look how that's fucking turned out. Even fucking Sexton has made it, while we are down to our 45th midfielder

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      @mariner4life said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

      J Barrett is the luckiest All Black since some of those Cantab nuffies of the early 2000s.

      While i can understand the logic behind bringing Savea in, i still think it's fucking rough on Ioane.

      Forwards better front up, but that's easier said than done when you look at who they have to beat. That's a fucking good pack.

      Remember before the tour when it was widely accepted by the 3rd test the Lions would be scratching around the waterfront bars of Auckland to find enough fit Brits to make a team? Yea, look how that's fucking turned out. Even fucking Sexton has made it, while we are down to our 45th midfielder

      You don't think we're missing Sam Broomhall and Ben Blair?

      If I'd known earlier this year that we'd be missing Dane Coles and Ben Smith for (practically) the whole series I'd have been a lot more worried.

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      • SammyCS SammyC

        @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

        People in a a rage about the Bus being selected.

        Please put your money where your mouth is and place a bet at the TAB that he won't score a try...

        Don't think TAB is offering odds on that?

        How about you put your money where your mouth is and offer up some juicy odds on here 😉

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        @SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

        @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

        People in a a rage about the Bus being selected.

        Please put your money where your mouth is and place a bet at the TAB that he won't score a try...

        Don't think TAB is offering odds on that?

        How about you put your money where your mouth is and offer up some juicy odds on here 😉

        One milliiiion dollars if he doesn't score.

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        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

          Happy to see Barrett at fullback.

          My concern is the midfield. ALB has been off the pace this series, literally. He seems to have struggled reading the Lions attack. Laumape also got exposed defensively last week. Attack isn't so much of a worry, but it was a bit of a concern last weekend that Cruden felt the need to kick rather than go to his midfield when the pressure was on. No trust.

          Savea back because of the concussion/illness. Makes sense.

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          @ACT-Crusader maybe thats the plan, they are planning to outrun the Lions and score more points?

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            #517

            Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

            I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

            I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

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            • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

              Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

              I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

              I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

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              @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

              Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

              I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

              Has it? It would appear that most are relatively comfortable with Barrett given there was very little uproar when the squad was selected and DMac wasn't in it.

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              • rotatedR rotated

                @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                They've only bottled it if we lose. Otherwise it's a masterstroke.

                Ultimately the winning and losing will be done from the 10 jersey on down. So it's hardly panic stations and I'm confident the ABs will win the breakdown and tackle.

                Purely in regards to Hansen's selections, it's been pretty poor planning. He released Savea and Barrett to the Canes because Hansen said they weren't in the frame to play the Lions going forward and wanted them to get a chance (while patting himself on the back after Ioane's selection). Then somehow after one of the stranger tests in recent times Hansen has done a complete U-turn on everything.

                Pretty harsh on those guys.

                Does Joride kick? Not ideal in your first start, but perhaps that is part of the story?

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                @rotated said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                They've only bottled it if we lose. Otherwise it's a masterstroke.

                Ultimately the winning and losing will be done from the 10 jersey on down. So it's hardly panic stations and I'm confident the ABs will win the breakdown and tackle.

                Purely in regards to Hansen's selections, it's been pretty poor planning. He released Savea and Barrett to the Canes because Hansen said they weren't in the frame to play the Lions going forward and wanted them to get a chance (while patting himself on the back after Ioane's selection). Then somehow after one of the stranger tests in recent times Hansen has done a complete U-turn on everything.

                Pretty harsh on those guys.

                Does Joride kick? Not ideal in your first start, but perhaps that is part of the story?

                I watched the 2nd test again (I know call me crazy), but there were good periods for our forwards with a number of dominant carries in behind the edges. We did get knocked back at times, but we also knocked them on their backsides and were pretty effective in slowing their ball. Aaron Smith played a hell of a game I thought.

                The problems was how we used the ball and our point of attack. And by and large our backs did not do the business in that regard. So if the forwards play to what they did last week then I dare say it will be the play of our backs that will probably determine whether we win or not.

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                • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                  @rotated said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                  @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                  They've only bottled it if we lose. Otherwise it's a masterstroke.

                  Ultimately the winning and losing will be done from the 10 jersey on down. So it's hardly panic stations and I'm confident the ABs will win the breakdown and tackle.

                  Purely in regards to Hansen's selections, it's been pretty poor planning. He released Savea and Barrett to the Canes because Hansen said they weren't in the frame to play the Lions going forward and wanted them to get a chance (while patting himself on the back after Ioane's selection). Then somehow after one of the stranger tests in recent times Hansen has done a complete U-turn on everything.

                  Pretty harsh on those guys.

                  Does Joride kick? Not ideal in your first start, but perhaps that is part of the story?

                  I watched the 2nd test again (I know call me crazy), but there were good periods for our forwards with a number of dominant carries in behind the edges. We did get knocked back at times, but we also knocked them on their backsides and were pretty effective in slowing their ball. Aaron Smith played a hell of a game I thought.

                  The problems was how we used the ball and our point of attack. And by and large our backs did not do the business in that regard. So if the forwards play to what they did last week then I dare say it will be the play of our backs that will probably determine whether we win or not.

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                  @ACT-Crusader yeah I rewatched most of the game too, and watching it knowing the end result you do wonder for long periods how we didnt end up winning it.

                  Ironically, it was when we went to the bench that we looked like we were starting to struggle.

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                  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                    Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                    I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                    Has it? It would appear that most are relatively comfortable with Barrett given there was very little uproar when the squad was selected and DMac wasn't in it.

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                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                    Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                    I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                    Has it? It would appear that most are relatively comfortable with Barrett given there was very little uproar when the squad was selected and DMac wasn't in it.

                    There have been some grumbles. Just throwing it out there.

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                    • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

                      Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                      I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                      I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

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                      @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                      Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                      I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                      I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                      I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

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                        @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                        Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                        I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                        I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                        I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

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                        @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                        @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                        Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                        I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                        I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                        I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                        Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                        I'm a big Jordie fan and can't wait to see how he goes, but his selection has now made me much more nervous about this game.

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                        • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

                          @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                          @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                          Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                          I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                          I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                          I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                          Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                          I'm a big Jordie fan and can't wait to see how he goes, but his selection has now made me much more nervous about this game.

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                          @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                          @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                          @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                          Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                          I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                          I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                          I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                          Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                          http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                          19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                          19:
                          Lomu
                          Reiko Ioane
                          Toeava
                          20:
                          Rokocoko
                          Jeff Wilson
                          Cullen
                          Jordie Barrett
                          Sam Cane
                          Jerry Collins
                          Zac Guildford
                          Richie McCaw
                          Aaron Mauger

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                          • nzzpN nzzp

                            @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                            @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                            @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                            Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                            I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                            I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                            I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                            Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                            http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                            19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                            19:
                            Lomu
                            Reiko Ioane
                            Toeava
                            20:
                            Rokocoko
                            Jeff Wilson
                            Cullen
                            Jordie Barrett
                            Sam Cane
                            Jerry Collins
                            Zac Guildford
                            Richie McCaw
                            Aaron Mauger

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                            @nzzp you'd rate Toeava's "impact" over Guidford?

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                            • nzzpN nzzp

                              @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                              @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                              @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                              Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                              I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                              I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                              I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                              Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                              http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                              19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                              19:
                              Lomu
                              Reiko Ioane
                              Toeava
                              20:
                              Rokocoko
                              Jeff Wilson
                              Cullen
                              Jordie Barrett
                              Sam Cane
                              Jerry Collins
                              Zac Guildford
                              Richie McCaw
                              Aaron Mauger

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                              @nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                              @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                              @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                              @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                              Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                              I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                              I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                              I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                              Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                              http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                              19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                              19:
                              Lomu
                              Reiko Ioane
                              Toeava
                              20:
                              Rokocoko
                              Jeff Wilson
                              Cullen
                              Jordie Barrett
                              Sam Cane
                              Jerry Collins
                              Zac Guildford
                              Richie McCaw
                              Aaron Mauger

                              Those are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.

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                              • CanerbryC Canerbry

                                @nzzp you'd rate Toeava's "impact" over Guidford?

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                                @Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                @nzzp you'd rate Toeava's "impact" over Guidford?

                                At the professional level, every day of the week and twice on sunday.

                                Toeava played 35 tests for the ABs; Guildford 11.

                                Guildford's self destructed. We still miss Isiah. He was a hell of a player, with untapped potential

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                                • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

                                  @nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                                  I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                                  I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                                  I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                                  Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                                  http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                                  19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                                  19:
                                  Lomu
                                  Reiko Ioane
                                  Toeava
                                  20:
                                  Rokocoko
                                  Jeff Wilson
                                  Cullen
                                  Jordie Barrett
                                  Sam Cane
                                  Jerry Collins
                                  Zac Guildford
                                  Richie McCaw
                                  Aaron Mauger

                                  Those are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.

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                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  @nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                  Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                                  I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                                  I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                                  I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                                  Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                                  http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                                  19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                                  19:
                                  Lomu
                                  Reiko Ioane
                                  Toeava
                                  20:
                                  Rokocoko
                                  Jeff Wilson
                                  Cullen
                                  Jordie Barrett
                                  Sam Cane
                                  Jerry Collins
                                  Zac Guildford
                                  Richie McCaw
                                  Aaron Mauger

                                  Those are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.

                                  Not really a mixed bag, most are an unqualified success, Toeava and Guildford had some decent tests and alongside them I'd say only Mauger failed to fulfil his potential - he was outstanding as a 20/21 year old but never truly dominated after that.

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                                  • NepiaN Nepia

                                    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                    @nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                    @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                    Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                                    I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                                    I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                                    I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                                    Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                                    http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                                    19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                                    19:
                                    Lomu
                                    Reiko Ioane
                                    Toeava
                                    20:
                                    Rokocoko
                                    Jeff Wilson
                                    Cullen
                                    Jordie Barrett
                                    Sam Cane
                                    Jerry Collins
                                    Zac Guildford
                                    Richie McCaw
                                    Aaron Mauger

                                    Those are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.

                                    Not really a mixed bag, most are an unqualified success, Toeava and Guildford had some decent tests and alongside them I'd say only Mauger failed to fulfil his potential - he was outstanding as a 20/21 year old but never truly dominated after that.

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                                    @Nepia Rancid bait.

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                                      @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                      @nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                      @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                      @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                      @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                      Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                                      I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                                      I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                                      I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                                      Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                                      http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                                      19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                                      19:
                                      Lomu
                                      Reiko Ioane
                                      Toeava
                                      20:
                                      Rokocoko
                                      Jeff Wilson
                                      Cullen
                                      Jordie Barrett
                                      Sam Cane
                                      Jerry Collins
                                      Zac Guildford
                                      Richie McCaw
                                      Aaron Mauger

                                      Those are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.

                                      Not really a mixed bag, most are an unqualified success, Toeava and Guildford had some decent tests and alongside them I'd say only Mauger failed to fulfil his potential - he was outstanding as a 20/21 year old but never truly dominated after that.

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                                      @Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                      Not really a mixed bag, 90n% unqualified success,

                                      Kind of my point I guess- everyone who has been picked young has been there for good reason. You can't see Shag and the boys picking on a hope - he must be delivering at trainings to do this.

                                      Still a massive thing to start in the intensity of a deciding Lions test. This selection panel is brave, they are not conservative, and it pays off in the long run.

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                                        @Nepia Rancid bait.

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                                        @Canerbry said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                        @Nepia Rancid bait.

                                        Nope, Mauger should have been up with the Cullens, Wilsons etc after his first year yet he's only remembered as a good AB at best (outside of your province).

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                                          @nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                          @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                          @Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                          @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                          Should maybe make this a separate poll, but who do people prefer/feel less terrified about at 15? The giraffe (Jordie) or Bastian Schweinsteiger (DMac)?

                                          I'm thinking Giraffe because of his ability under the high ball. But Schweini is a better kicker.

                                          I think I'd prefer to be having this conversation next year or in 2 years but it has been thrust upon us now.

                                          I'm very interested to see how Jordie goes, had a nagging doubt about the ages of B Smith and Dagg looking ahead to 2019. Unexpected bonus to get this opportunity, although I'd prefer Ben to go through to 2019.

                                          Capping a 20 year old is always a risk, particularly when he's only in his first season of Super rugby and not playing in his strongest position. Oh yeah, and its the deciding test against the Lions.

                                          http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/youngest_appearance.html?id=8;type=team

                                          19 and 20 year olds capped in the professional era listed below. A bloody good list - only Zac stands out as not having a decent impact at the professional level.

                                          19:
                                          Lomu
                                          Reiko Ioane
                                          Toeava
                                          20:
                                          Rokocoko
                                          Jeff Wilson
                                          Cullen
                                          Jordie Barrett
                                          Sam Cane
                                          Jerry Collins
                                          Zac Guildford
                                          Richie McCaw
                                          Aaron Mauger

                                          Those are some damn good players, but bit of a mixed bag in terms of initial returns. Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.

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                                          @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:

                                          Lets hope Jordie does a Cully. Fark that would be good.

                                          I was at Cullen's debut test in Napier and will be at Eden Park.

                                          That has to be a good omen, right? :fingers_crossed:

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