All Blacks v Pumas
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.Ben Smith, Dagg, Jordie, Lima, Beauden, Reiko and Havili all probably would have caught more of them than D Mac did. If we pick D Mac the South Africans will do the exact same thing to him.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.Ben Smith, Dagg, Jordie, Lima, Beauden, Reiko and Havili all probably would have caught more of them than D Mac did. If we pick D Mac the South Africans will do the exact same thing to him.
You know this how?
I'm not disputing that the tactic of mid range bombs is a good one. I seem to recall plenty of these type of kicks being missed during Super by the players you mention. I even recall Bender being beaten to the claim by DMac on one occasion.
Yes, it isn't a strength and his size does offer an opportunity when he has to run forward and can't gain as much height, but I still don't see those examples as being kicks that the players you mention would take 90% of the time as standard. -
@Bones @Tim With the preface again that I don't think DMac had a great game. Yeah, of course those errors are notable, but as I said earlier two of those drops he probably shouldn't have been the guy having to go in to take them.
But, for some context, f we're talking that game then (goalkicking aside as that's a separate issue) BB's errors could also have been costly, two unforced fluffed kick offs and a yellow card - yet there's hardly been a peep about those around here.
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If Jordie had not got injured , no doubt he would be fb , I reckon that was their plan ,
Now with bender unavailable on top of that , they are playing what is effectively the number 3 in Dmac ,
I've got a feeling they will back him in until the other 2 return to keep the structure they want with the other players .
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Early days, but there may be a new 10 on the radar to add to the riches; and give BB some kicking lessons - Mitch Hunt. Another off the Canterbury conveyor belt.
@Crash said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Early days, but there may be a new 10 on the radar to add to the riches; and give BB some kicking lessons - Mitch Hunt. Another off the Canterbury conveyor belt.
...except he's from Nelson!
A way to go for Mitch yet, I think.
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Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.I thought he had an ok+ game. But I would still like to see Sopoaga start at first with Barrett at FB. With NMS on one wing
I thought the midfield was a bit disappointing but hope they get another start. But bring on Laumape sooner if required (unless Crotty is fit)
Parenara also had his best game for the ABs. If he was consistent at this level he would be the starter
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes
He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go
@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes
He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go
What gets me is that even the coaches acknowledge that when he has an off day with the boot it really is an off day. He should give himself 2 cracks at most and if it isn't working hand the tee to someone else. DMac is a superior kicker to BB as is Lima.
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@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes
He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go
What gets me is that even the coaches acknowledge that when he has an off day with the boot it really is an off day. He should give himself 2 cracks at most and if it isn't working hand the tee to someone else. DMac is a superior kicker to BB as is Lima.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes
He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go
What gets me is that even the coaches acknowledge that when he has an off day with the boot it really is an off day. He should give himself 2 cracks at most and if it isn't working hand the tee to someone else. DMac is a superior kicker to BB as is Lima.
Why is BB starting as kicker? Just use the superior kicker from the start
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes
He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go
What gets me is that even the coaches acknowledge that when he has an off day with the boot it really is an off day. He should give himself 2 cracks at most and if it isn't working hand the tee to someone else. DMac is a superior kicker to BB as is Lima.
Why is BB starting as kicker? Just use the superior kicker from the start
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes
He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go
What gets me is that even the coaches acknowledge that when he has an off day with the boot it really is an off day. He should give himself 2 cracks at most and if it isn't working hand the tee to someone else. DMac is a superior kicker to BB as is Lima.
Why is BB starting as kicker? Just use the superior kicker from the start
I think they just have this thing where as the senior player he gets to say if he is kicking. I have seen him quoted as saying 'there is only one kicker' or similar. I get that is a way to put pressure on yourself to take responsibility but FFS if you are having a shit day and there is another option do the best for the team.
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He's a crap goalkicker. Unreliable. If it continues we will lose to England at Twickenham or Ireland in a RWC quarter final. Anyone salivating at that prospect? No thought not. Hansen should just stop defending the guy as a kicker and find someone who is a consistent 80% man.
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Hansen has said they won't be starting Sopoaga at 10 and BB at the back
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Hansen has said they won't be starting Sopoaga at 10 and BB at the back
Par for the course in 2017..
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Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.What about the woeful bomb (that lead to Argie points i'm pretty sure) and the poor one on one missed tackle on an Argie for their try. Yes it was right on the line but he still should have made that tackle.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.What about the woeful bomb (that lead to Argie points i'm pretty sure) and the poor one on one missed tackle on an Argie for their try. Yes it was right on the line but he still should have made that tackle.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.What about the woeful bomb (that lead to Argie points i'm pretty sure) and the poor one on one missed tackle on an Argie for their try. Yes it was right on the line but he still should have made that tackle.
Oh ffs give him a break....however much you might not like it we need the Milky Bar Kid currently. We have been spoilt with BFA as 99% of the time he makes the right decisions. But yes occasionally even he makes mistakes, as does any human! DMac is young enough to learn be moulded and take these learnings on board, He's a creator, and we need those.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.What about the woeful bomb (that lead to Argie points i'm pretty sure) and the poor one on one missed tackle on an Argie for their try. Yes it was right on the line but he still should have made that tackle.
Oh ffs give him a break....however much you might not like it we need the Milky Bar Kid currently. We have been spoilt with BFA as 99% of the time he makes the right decisions. But yes occasionally even he makes mistakes, as does any human! DMac is young enough to learn be moulded and take these learnings on board, He's a creator, and we need those.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.What about the woeful bomb (that lead to Argie points i'm pretty sure) and the poor one on one missed tackle on an Argie for their try. Yes it was right on the line but he still should have made that tackle.
Oh ffs give him a break....however much you might not like it we need the Milky Bar Kid currently. We have been spoilt with BFA as 99% of the time he makes the right decisions. But yes occasionally even he makes mistakes, as does any human! DMac is young enough to learn be moulded and take these learnings on board, He's a creator, and we need those.
@Crash Why do we need him? There are other (IMO better) options available.
I mean there are heaps of guys who can't catch or tackle and crab sideways
Seriously - talented though he is I'm firmly in the "he will cost us a test" camp.
FB is not a position for midgets in the current game
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McKenzie is the new Ben Blair. A very good Super Rugby player, can do some exciting things - but is not a Test player.
Just remember that awful game Blair had in the Super final(?), one of those is coming for the All Blacks if we persist with him.
And I think we are seeing just how good McCaw, Carter, Nonu, Smith, etc were. The All Blacks have been on the decline since the lost to Ireland, we have been lucky other sides are also not very good (like Oz). The results have been flattering us massively.
We are going to need some hard selection choices to move forward. I would be seriously considering changing captains too, to one of Brodie or Whitelock. Read is not playing as well as he used to be, and we need to be able to sub him.
If BB is not playing well at ten, and Sopoaga is then we should reward form. Not doing that cost us Charlie overseas - he'd be bloody useful at the moment wouldn't he?
The coaches can be too bloody minded at times, which is fine when we are winning. But it feels like we are just about to fall off a cliff.
And while I'm singling out players, time to drop Savea and when fit, get Matt Todd in. pick the best players not on potential.
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I'm on the fence with DMac. He always seemed destined to be a test player, so I am interested in him getting an extended run now, while we can afford it (the stars have aligned for him with Bender and Jordie out). That said, I don't actually know if he can adapt his million-miles-a-minute, uber-involvement game into the test arena. The jury is certainly still out but I'm watching with interest.
However, I've stopped using his size against him. At some point a player takes the ball into traffic enough times and tackles enough men twice his size, where it's not fair to hold it against him. Besides, I'm not convinced it was his height that was the problem with the missed catches.
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McKenzie is the new Ben Blair. A very good Super Rugby player, can do some exciting things - but is not a Test player.
Just remember that awful game Blair had in the Super final(?), one of those is coming for the All Blacks if we persist with him.
And I think we are seeing just how good McCaw, Carter, Nonu, Smith, etc were. The All Blacks have been on the decline since the lost to Ireland, we have been lucky other sides are also not very good (like Oz). The results have been flattering us massively.
We are going to need some hard selection choices to move forward. I would be seriously considering changing captains too, to one of Brodie or Whitelock. Read is not playing as well as he used to be, and we need to be able to sub him.
If BB is not playing well at ten, and Sopoaga is then we should reward form. Not doing that cost us Charlie overseas - he'd be bloody useful at the moment wouldn't he?
The coaches can be too bloody minded at times, which is fine when we are winning. But it feels like we are just about to fall off a cliff.
And while I'm singling out players, time to drop Savea and when fit, get Matt Todd in. pick the best players not on potential.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
McKenzie is the new Ben Blair. A very good Super Rugby player, can do some exciting things - but is not a Test player.
Just remember that awful game Blair had in the Super final(?), one of those is coming for the All Blacks if we persist with him.
And I think we are seeing just how good McCaw, Carter, Nonu, Smith, etc were. The All Blacks have been on the decline since the lost to Ireland, we have been lucky other sides are also not very good (like Oz). The results have been flattering us massively.
We are going to need some hard selection choices to move forward. I would be seriously considering changing captains too, to one of Brodie or Whitelock. Read is not playing as well as he used to be, and we need to be able to sub him.
If BB is not playing well at ten, and Sopoaga is then we should reward form. Not doing that cost us Charlie overseas - he'd be bloody useful at the moment wouldn't he?
The coaches can be too bloody minded at times, which is fine when we are winning. But it feels like we are just about to fall off a cliff.
And while I'm singling out players, time to drop Savea and when fit, get Matt Todd in. pick the best players not on potential.
I'm not sure if its selections so much as the tactics and execution. I think the forwards have been pretty damn good this year, but the backs have been pretty shitty as a unit. The balance seems completely out of whack. Which I guess completely contradicts my point about selections...
The half backs seem fine, TJP brainfarts notwithstanding. He was excellent last week.
BBs kicking is a major concern, but in terms of general play there is nobody near him. Lima made a nice cameo, but it was his assured boot that really stood out.
The centre combo doesn't work. Neither are in particularly good form and they don't complement each other like other combos. Obviously we were spoilt rotten with a guy like None who was not only a beast with ball in hand but also one of the best passers in the game. I'd like to see Laumape and Crotty. I think that could work.
Wingers are fine. NMS was very good and Ioane is amazing.
FB. This is a difficult one because Bender is resting, Giraffe is injured and Dagg appears to be exclusively a wing. NMS can play there, but it's been a while. DMac is a risk, but I'll be happy to accept that risk if he can kick the goals. If he can cut the error rate and kick 80 plus percent then we'll be sweet.
