Blues 2018
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Here is Gregor Paul's latest effort
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12040827
I would like to preface what I am about to say with "I am not making criticisms". It's a clever trick, it means you have to ignore my posting history and pretend the criticisms I am about to make are actually objective fact. I recommend every tries it.
The first thing that jumps out at me is the change of opinion from Paul. After months of him and a couple of NZH writers claiming that Umaga is qualified, Umaga is the best man for the job, Umaga is making progress (just not with results) suddenly we are told Umaga needs help. He needs hand holding in his 4th(!!) year of the job, he needs training wheels.
Maybe this is an invention of Pauls mind? However I am going to assume its a leak or a 'trial balloon'.
I'm having flashbacks to the board supporting Kirwan for the 4th year but with Matson doing the actual coaching. This suggestion is slightly different because its more about hand holding. However they are similar because the most important thing seems to be protecting the reputation of the coaches and those that appointed them than actually fixing the team.
Perhaps I should stop calling Kirwan and Umaga celebrity coaches, maybe they are special needs coaches?Going back to the rumour that Gatland is interested in taking over in 2020. One of the issues was what to do next year. Well, Foster might be an option for a caretaker.
No one, not even Waikato fans, sees particularly keen on him taking over from Hansen. So he clearly needs to reform his public reputation. An emergency coaching appointment might do that. An advisor role would not. Even a modest improvement in results would be seen as a success, the Kirwan/Umaga bar has been set so low.Fuck you Redman. You just made me advocate for Foster. Yuck.
I suspect Waikato fans are more opposed to Foster than others. They had to watch his teams fail year after year in more detail.He's a nice guy, and a great technical coach, but he doesn't have what it takes to select well, and his teams are, let us say, variable in terms of mental preparation.
There is no shortage of qualified Kiwis with successful resumes. Why would you pick one with conspicuous failures?
Garland would not be my first choice though. We have succeeded by being more innovative. Warrenball isn't going to help.
I'm all for Foster going to the Blues though. It won't help them, but it might finally destroy the chance of Foster getting the ABs.
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I suspect Waikato fans are more opposed to Foster than others. They had to watch his teams fail year after year in more detail.He's a nice guy, and a great technical coach, but he doesn't have what it takes to select well, and his teams are, let us say, variable in terms of mental preparation.
There is no shortage of qualified Kiwis with successful resumes. Why would you pick one with conspicuous failures?
Garland would not be my first choice though. We have succeeded by being more innovative. Warrenball isn't going to help.
I'm all for Foster going to the Blues though. It won't help them, but it might finally destroy the chance of Foster getting the ABs.
@chester-draws were plenty opposed to Hansen 'taking over' from Henry too...
Guess we will start to see the value of Hansen & Foster this year without Smith in thier team
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I suspect Waikato fans are more opposed to Foster than others. They had to watch his teams fail year after year in more detail.He's a nice guy, and a great technical coach, but he doesn't have what it takes to select well, and his teams are, let us say, variable in terms of mental preparation.
There is no shortage of qualified Kiwis with successful resumes. Why would you pick one with conspicuous failures?
Garland would not be my first choice though. We have succeeded by being more innovative. Warrenball isn't going to help.
I'm all for Foster going to the Blues though. It won't help them, but it might finally destroy the chance of Foster getting the ABs.
@chester-draws said in Blues 2018:
Garland would not be my first choice though. We have succeeded by being more innovative. Warrenball isn't going to help.
Anything would be an improvement..
I think Gatland is a far better coach than he was a decade ago. The warrenball term still has some truth, but not as much as when he coached Wasps or Waikato.
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@chester-draws said in Blues 2018:
Garland would not be my first choice though. We have succeeded by being more innovative. Warrenball isn't going to help.
Anything would be an improvement..
I think Gatland is a far better coach than he was a decade ago. The warrenball term still has some truth, but not as much as when he coached Wasps or Waikato.
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Gatland would bring:
- Credibility
- Standards
- Coaching nous
- Discipline
What's not to like?
Edit: Also, i suspect he doesn't jump into burning dumpsters like the Blues though...
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Gatland would bring:
- Credibility
- Standards
- Coaching nous
- Discipline
What's not to like?
Edit: Also, i suspect he doesn't jump into burning dumpsters like the Blues though...
@nzzp said in Blues 2018:
Gatland would bring:
- Credibility
- Standards
- Coaching nous
- Discipline
What's not to like?
Edit: Also, i suspect he doesn't jump into burning dumpsters like the Blues though...
Also excessive twatishness - remember how he got on the Lions tour?
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@nzzp said in Blues 2018:
Gatland would bring:
- Credibility
- Standards
- Coaching nous
- Discipline
What's not to like?
Edit: Also, i suspect he doesn't jump into burning dumpsters like the Blues though...
Also excessive twatishness - remember how he got on the Lions tour?
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
Also excessive twatishness - remember how he got on the Lions tour?
On a related point..
How many friends does Gatland have at the NZRU? How many does Umaga have? I suspect thats more important than pesky rugby reasons
Personally I would much rather have a competent disliked coach.
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@nepia said in Blues 2018:
Also excessive twatishness - remember how he got on the Lions tour?
On a related point..
How many friends does Gatland have at the NZRU? How many does Umaga have? I suspect thats more important than pesky rugby reasons
Personally I would much rather have a competent disliked coach.
@duluth said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
Also excessive twatishness - remember how he got on the Lions tour?
On a related point..
How many friends does Gatland have at the NZRU? How many does Umaga have? I suspect thats more important than pesky rugby reasons
Personally I would much rather have a competent disliked coach.
Who did you want, that would have applied, when Umaga was appointed?
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@duluth said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
Also excessive twatishness - remember how he got on the Lions tour?
On a related point..
How many friends does Gatland have at the NZRU? How many does Umaga have? I suspect thats more important than pesky rugby reasons
Personally I would much rather have a competent disliked coach.
Who did you want, that would have applied, when Umaga was appointed?
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@duluth said in Blues 2018:
Pivac
But I was happy to judge Umaga after three years
Did Pivac apply, I can't remember that far back. Weird that he's never had a shot at the Blues though.
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
Did Pivac apply, I can't remember that far back. Weird that he's never had a shot at the Blues though.
Was it advertised? I can't remember.. I think the board gave up on Matson/Kirwan when Umaga was interested
Pivac applied a lot though. He doesn't have the right friends.
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@nepia said in Blues 2018:
Did Pivac apply, I can't remember that far back. Weird that he's never had a shot at the Blues though.
Was it advertised? I can't remember.. I think the board gave up on Matson/Kirwan when Umaga was interested
Pivac applied a lot though. He doesn't have the right friends.
@duluth It was always a mystery as to why Pivac never got an opportunity. Sums up our organisation when far inferior appointments have been made.
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Sorry, I was unclear. I don't want Gatland for the ABs.
The Blues would be mental to not take him.
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Looks like Kieran Keane is going to be looking for a job.
You could sign him for a year with the carrot if he shows evident improvement he'll be signed for more time and if he doesn't he's replaced by Gatland.
He's a prickly customer - not afraid to rub people the wrong way. Not one of NZR's favourite sons!
On the other hand, his style doesn't seem to have worked very well at Connacht.
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Looks like Kieran Keane is going to be looking for a job.
You could sign him for a year with the carrot if he shows evident improvement he'll be signed for more time and if he doesn't he's replaced by Gatland.
He's a prickly customer - not afraid to rub people the wrong way. Not one of NZR's favourite sons!
On the other hand, his style doesn't seem to have worked very well at Connacht.
@chris-b said in Blues 2018:
Looks like Kieran Keane is going to be looking for a job.
You could sign him for a year with the carrot if he shows evident improvement he'll be signed for more time and if he doesn't he's replaced by Gatland.
He's a prickly customer - not afraid to rub people the wrong way. Not one of NZR's favourite sons!
On the other hand, his style doesn't seem to have worked very well at Connacht.
Sound like Henry. Maybe we need another headmaster type.
