Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV
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@stargazer am sure it will be viewed as Kiwis moaning, but it is a bit of an issue, not always, but enough of one that there should be some protocols around it.
Obviously we benefitted from a big screen replay in the AB-Aus Bledisloe #3 last year (am sure there are others I cant think of) but for the most part I think our coverage is a bit more balanced in just showing the replay of something, then moving on unless the TMO is involved, not replaying to get the TMO involved.
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I like how TKB can go long periods of time in the Dirty Dirties and still come on and play at a certain level. That's a big loss. Unfortunately we'll never know how he would have developed with consistent game-time at International level. Seems to be a good team man based on not dropping his lip being the third wheel for so long. Apparently after tearing his ACL and MCL in his knee against the Boks in 2014, he tried to play on for about 5 minutes.
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Sopoaga tracking backwards for me. The skills are mostly OK, but you get little sense he is able to steer a game. If our A plan is struggling he is unlikely to be able to change the point of attack or give the opposition a different look.
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Whitelock was very solid, reminds me of Cane. Do we need two solid flankers that work hard or should the 6 be the flashy hanging out on the wing type? In saying that Squire made some dominant tackles and good runs down that channel.
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Sopoaga tracking backwards for me. The skills are mostly OK, but you get little sense he is able to steer a game. If our A plan is struggling he is unlikely to be able to change the point of attack or give the opposition a different look.
@chester-draws thing is, alot of our game has regressed this year, so a bit hard to judge 1 player accurately i think.
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@stargazer am sure it will be viewed as Kiwis moaning, but it is a bit of an issue, not always, but enough of one that there should be some protocols around it.
Obviously we benefitted from a big screen replay in the AB-Aus Bledisloe #3 last year (am sure there are others I cant think of) but for the most part I think our coverage is a bit more balanced in just showing the replay of something, then moving on unless the TMO is involved, not replaying to get the TMO involved.
@taniwharugby said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
@stargazer am sure it will be viewed as Kiwis moaning, but it is a bit of an issue, not always, but enough of one that there should be some protocols around it.
Obviously we benefitted from a big screen replay in the AB-Aus Bledisloe #3 last year (am sure there are others I cant think of) but for the most part I think our coverage is a bit more balanced in just showing the replay of something, then moving on unless the TMO is involved, not replaying to get the TMO involved.
If Hansen really wants to hammer his point home, he should get the NZ producers to use it to the extreme to force world rugbys hand..
Some accountability needs to be taken by the players with ball in hand.. if you run head first (which is a rugby thing, league runners lead with the shoulder), then expect to get head knocks.. PTs hit was an example, and I'm glad he didn't get yellowed.
Also, a bugbear of mine was the penalty for obstruction. I can't remember what the exact penalty against the French was, but I think it was for a high tackle? How does obstruction overrule a high tackle? Shouldn't the penalty against the French stand, because a high tackle would've reversed the penalty for obstruction?
In the test against the French, we had a penalty reversed cos of a player doing the same thing that the French did to us.
When are the conditions for reversing penalties?
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Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
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Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
@chester-draws said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
This is where I'm confused.
On the weekend, I heard the ref reverse a penalty cos a NZ player came in and did the same exact thing that the French got penalised for. So how does that work? They were both foul plays so the 2nd foul play over-rides the first?Also, the obstruction came before the high tackle (at least I think it was, if I'm mistaken then I apologise), so wouldn't the high tackle over-ride the obstruction?
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@chester-draws said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
This is where I'm confused.
On the weekend, I heard the ref reverse a penalty cos a NZ player came in and did the same exact thing that the French got penalised for. So how does that work? They were both foul plays so the 2nd foul play over-rides the first?Also, the obstruction came before the high tackle (at least I think it was, if I'm mistaken then I apologise), so wouldn't the high tackle over-ride the obstruction?
The high tackle should over-ride obstruction. Dangerous play is worse than cheating. Refs tend to forget high tackles are foul play not simple errors.
The second foul play in response to initial foul play is penalised to stop "free" retaliation. It just has to be that way.
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Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
@chester-draws said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
Again I think I suggested the referee may have not been up to it ...
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The high shot on Goodhue came first; then the so-called obstruction by Moli. Penalty should never have been reversed.
@stargazer said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
The high shot on Goodhue came first; then the so-called obstruction by Moli. Penalty should never have been reversed.
Huh? Was the penalised high tackle from an earlier play? The replay I am watching now shows Laumape passing the ball to Goodhue and in front of Laumape is Moli obstructing. Goodhue then goes into contact and gets hit high.
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Laumape really is a midget. He’s surely no taller than Aaron Smith.
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Unnecessary squeaky bum stuff at the end there. Should have closed the game out after the Laumape (wtf was the com calling him btw) try.
Otherwise for a group of young guns I thought this was a pretty good performance. Thought they might be in trouble with the parochial home crowd and since it seemed everyone was treating this almost as a test. But they showed composure and did the job.
One thing that was utter shit was the kicking game. Some of the kicks intended for Duffie were appalling.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Unnecessary squeaky bum stuff at the end there. Should have closed the game out after the Laumape (wtf was the com calling him btw) try.
Otherwise for a group of young guns I thought this was a pretty good performance. Thought they might be in trouble with the parochial home crowd and since it seemed everyone was treating this almost as a test. But they showed composure and did the job.
One thing that was utter shit was the kicking game. Some of the kicks intended for Duffie were appalling.
Not surprising some of the execution and timing between players was a bit scratchy given the limited preparation this unit would’ve had together.
I enjoyed the ‘unknown’ element of this game and the fact it was close. Good to see up win because this fixture had Munster written all over it prior for me, given the side we were going with.
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Just watching the replay.
The Goodhue yc was absolute nonsense. How can you bin someone for bloody tripping over?
The Moli obstruction was also a shocking call.
Don’t think the ref has been too bad apart from that.
Laumape very good.
@gunner said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Laumape very good.
Was he? I thought he was okay with a couple of okay runs, but the game did show his limited passing game. Not something we would want at 2nd 5 you would think.
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@taniwharugby said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
some fella on Stuffs player ratings:
Jack Goodhue 6: Sole new starting All Black had some good stuff undone by unfortunate 67th min yellow card, when stumbling into an early tackle on Henry Chavancy. Prior to that showed lovely vision and distribution, including nice floating ball for Squire to score. Good defensive reads too.
Looked forward to me, but not out of the ordinary for tries I see getting awarded all the time nowadays. But anyway...
Liam Squire 9: Back from sick bed in an absolute storming way. Best on the paddock, with great roaming runs and support play - rewarded with opening try of the game in left corner - mixed with a tonne of solid hits and abrasiveness round fringes. Taken off in 53rd minute, as surely Scotland test awaits him?
Is it just me or does Squire look smaller without his mullet?
Is it just me or does Squire look smaller without his mullet?Yes you both look smarter without a mullet.
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So...
How good was TKB? I think that's the best I've seen him play, what a game to go out on.
Fucking annoying and so obvious the use of the replays at the ground to try and force an issue. Ref started off trying to ignore it but gave in pretty quick.
I can live with the Goodhue yellow, sure you could say it was accidental, but it was a pretty handy accident huh? Goodhue did mess with the player and then conveniently fell on his ankles. High tackles and tackles in the air are often accidental too, doesn't mean you can't card the offender. However, if that's a yellow card then so is the tackle of Havili in the air.
Thought Moli showed some brutal promise, colour me impressed. Perry also seemed pretty sturdy, have hardly seen him play and after what I've read here you'd think he's lucky to play NPC - didn't look like that. Harris though....up your game bud.
Bird stepped up nicely too, him and Tuipulotu combined nicely in the aviary second row.
I'd be happy to see them give up on Savea for now, just doesn't seem up to the international level at this stage, Todd offers more - plus his constant glory-hunting "I'll try and do it myself!" really irks me. Nice comeback from Squire, Whitelock looked comfy.
All the backs (apart from TKB) showed great promise but had black marks at some stage, just inexperience probably.
Laumape - intercept.
Goodhue - card.
Tamanivalu - oopsie for the first French try.
Goodhue - dunno I'm sure there's something.
Duffie - wasn't it him that got bumped off by Chat? He did come back to get him though.Speaking of - I thought Havili went really well otherwise.
Annnddd the commentators....fuck me! Is it too much to ask these eggs to just watch some rugby or do a bit of research if they're going to be handsomely paid for these gigs?
Goode was good in the first half, then seemed to turn into the guy from last week at halftime. According to him (amongst other pearlers):
- A year ago it was legal for the tackler to not have to release the tackled player
- It's a fact that the AB's have a well known weakness at scrumtime, be it the midweek or Test team (after getting shoved back in ONE scrum).
