2018 New Zealand U20s
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I watched that 'stamp' incident live and rewound it a couple of times to try and see what happened.
First he went to step over the French player on his way to clear the ball. IMO he went for a sly stamp on the arm when he found he couldn't put his foot down where he planned to. He also took no care with his trailing leg and that's what caught the head.
Looked like an attitude of 'if you're going to lie there you deserve to be walked over and I have no responsibility for your safety'
Is was more that he 'trod' on the player than stamped. Lifted the knee to get over then thought fuck it and put the foot down on the arm.
Deserves a ban for trampling without care. He could have pulled out and let the ref penalise the player in the way. I think the foot to the head was incidental to the lack of care elsewhere.Dumb thing to do as a young halfback looking for a career as that shit will now stick with him for future incidents.
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@chris said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
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Must be a bummer for the two that only made it as far as NPC
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It is an ok team, I think you will find with the NZ set up we have one poor year and then a better year.
Both hookers, McWhannell and Christie do okay and will make it to super rugby I think, While Koroi will stick to 7s now. Plummer will play super cause he is with Blues while others could make squads. I think the two class players are Flanders and Clarke.
As for next year a number are returning.
Props Cobb and Uluilakepa and Flanders at 8.
In backs Proctor, Gregory, Clarke, Trask and Faainagnuku.
also Prop Ollie Norris and midfield Quinn Tupaea who have been brought over as inj cover.
Others who have been in training camps are Vaai (lock) and Toala (15) plus Etene Nanai.@98blueandgold I expect there will be quite a few more from last years Hastings Boys HS champions team in addition to Flanders and Toala: Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe (prop), Jeriah Mua (loosie), Lincoln McClutchie (first five-eighth), Folau Fakatava (halfback), possibly Kianu Kereru-Symes (prop) and Kini Naholo (if he decides to play for NZ) all have a good chance of making the team next year.
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@98blueandgold I expect there will be quite a few more from last years Hastings Boys HS champions team in addition to Flanders and Toala: Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe (prop), Jeriah Mua (loosie), Lincoln McClutchie (first five-eighth), Folau Fakatava (halfback), possibly Kianu Kereru-Symes (prop) and Kini Naholo (if he decides to play for NZ) all have a good chance of making the team next year.
@stargazer I think both props and possibly Fakatava are options from that group. Others from 2017 schools and barbarians who are a chance are Dyer and Williams at Prop, Grace (6), Ah Khoi and Alaimalo (although he reminds me of Sotutu to much) Fergus Burke at 10, Plumtree at Lock and Te Whata at 7.
There is such a difference once they leave school and you see a number drop off or come through. I think next year our props will be good but we need more combative big ball runners. Flanders will be excellent next year and maybe Ah Khoi in that roll with Clarke, Faainanuku, Tupaea out back.
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Hopefully most of last year's NZSS team are playing regular club rugby to test themselves at the next level post-school. I have seen Tupaea, Dyer, Alaimalo and Seti listed in the Waikato club rugby team sheets each week.
@bovidae All of the Hastings Boys that I mentioned are contracted to provincial unions; the players contracted to the Hawke's Bay union are indeed playing premiers club rugby at the moment and are in the HB wtg. It will be interesting to see how they go at the U19 tournament, but I have no doubt some will also play Mitre 10 Cup this season.
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@stargazer said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
Well, at least the Frenchies have no reason to complain about the officiating.
ref is pretty good IMO.
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@bovidae said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
Ian Jones and Norm Maxwell had great AB careers. Not everyone is Brad Thorn or Troy Flavell.
@mn5 said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@bovidae said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
Ian Jones and Norm Maxwell had great AB careers. Not everyone is Brad Thorn or Troy Flavell.
Rugby has become far more physical since. It will be very hard for a skinny lock to impose himself at the international level.
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@mn5 said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@bovidae said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
Ian Jones and Norm Maxwell had great AB careers. Not everyone is Brad Thorn or Troy Flavell.
Rugby has become far more physical since. It will be very hard for a skinny lock to impose himself at the international level.
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@kiwimurph said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant @MN5 saying Norm Maxwell had a great All Black career is also quite a stretch.
Yeah probably. He was good though
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CITING COMMISSIONER WARNINGS
Jay Renton (New Zealand) New Zealand replacement Jay Renton was issued a Citing Commissioner Warning by Citing Commissioner Eugene Ryan (Ireland) for stamping in breach of Law 9.12 in the 58th minute of their World Rugby U20 Championship 2018 semi-final against France on 12 June, 2018 in Perpignan. The Citing Commissioner Warning forms part of Renton’s disciplinary record for the tournament -
CITING COMMISSIONER WARNINGS
Jay Renton (New Zealand) New Zealand replacement Jay Renton was issued a Citing Commissioner Warning by Citing Commissioner Eugene Ryan (Ireland) for stamping in breach of Law 9.12 in the 58th minute of their World Rugby U20 Championship 2018 semi-final against France on 12 June, 2018 in Perpignan. The Citing Commissioner Warning forms part of Renton’s disciplinary record for the tournament -
CITING COMMISSIONER WARNINGS
Jay Renton (New Zealand) New Zealand replacement Jay Renton was issued a Citing Commissioner Warning by Citing Commissioner Eugene Ryan (Ireland) for stamping in breach of Law 9.12 in the 58th minute of their World Rugby U20 Championship 2018 semi-final against France on 12 June, 2018 in Perpignan. The Citing Commissioner Warning forms part of Renton’s disciplinary record for the tournament@stargazer said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
CITING COMMISSIONER WARNINGS
Jay Renton (New Zealand) New Zealand replacement Jay Renton was issued a Citing Commissioner Warning by Citing Commissioner Eugene Ryan (Ireland) for stamping in breach of Law 9.12 in the 58th minute of their World Rugby U20 Championship 2018 semi-final against France on 12 June, 2018 in Perpignan. The Citing Commissioner Warning forms part of Renton’s disciplinary record for the tournamentAnother win for The Illuminati
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@stargazer Wow! That one seemed pretty black or white to me.
Either it was accidental or it was intentional and if the latter he would go for a significant skate.
Not sure where this shade of grey comes from.
@chris-b Accidental or reckless or intentional. Intentional would always have been red. Accidental, would always be a penalty only or at most a YC. But when it's considered reckless, other factors come into play, such as whether Renton's foot made contact with the head and things like whether the player on the ground was moving.
It's really unfortunate that they don't always seem to publish the reasons for these warnings.
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Thought in the semi, the BBs lacked punch (no pun intended) up front and incision at the back. Where were the big ball runners? Lost count of how many times the ball was stripped or dropped. Also our kicking game was poor. If you're going to kick, it should be pinpoint for your chasers to run on to and regather.
We looked very rugby=league like and not in a good way, fanning out too much on D. Hell. we just gave them too much ball, and we squandered our own opportunities.You know I'm really beginning to dislike the French. Hopefully sunday morning we can wake up and still be talking abou the rugby played...
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