AB Test Team v France.
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Just wondered if the French player was behind the kicker before the SBW slapback. I was expecting they might double check that before awarding the penalty try, but maybe my eyes deceived me.
I also wonder if TKB will be captain on Tuesday, as the choices seem limited.
@arhs there were several kicks they were well in front and that may have been one, harsh rule lesson for SBW.
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So we went to France and smacked them by 20 points. Not three bad at all!
Our wingers are really really neat!
@hooroo said in AB Test Team v France.:
So we went to France and smacked them by 20 points. Not three bad at all!
Our wingers are really really neat!
Thats the message I was trying to get through amongst the grumbling and crying during the game.
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I'm curious, anyone know why you cant bat the ball over the dead ball line, what is the point of the rule?
I mean what if you attempt to catch up, just get a finger to it and it goes dead, same result?
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I'm curious, anyone know why you cant bat the ball over the dead ball line, what is the point of the rule?
I mean what if you attempt to catch up, just get a finger to it and it goes dead, same result?
@taniwharugby said in AB Test Team v France.:
I'm curious, anyone know why you cant bat the ball over the dead ball line, what is the point of the rule?
I mean what if you attempt to catch up, just get a finger to it and it goes dead, same result?
I had this conversation on here with @antipodean I think. He came up with a reasonable reason I think.
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I'm curious, anyone know why you cant bat the ball over the dead ball line, what is the point of the rule?
I mean what if you attempt to catch up, just get a finger to it and it goes dead, same result?
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@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
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@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
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doesn't really answer the question.
As for it being accidental and deliberate, plenty of other examples where this is purely on the ref (obviously in this, there was no disputing he did it deliberately)
I mean the only way the Frenchie scores in that game is if SBW isn't there, but he is, he is inches taller than the guy, so SBW was always going to get to the ball, he hasn't impeded the guy, hasn't done anything dangerous, just a mungo moment, making the rule removing him from the equation (which refs don't always apply anyway) just seems daft.
So the way the rule is written, for this instance (yes I know re-writing a rule for this scenario is daft and wont happen) the penalty is pretty extreme and disproportionate.
They were saying on the radio this same thing happened in a NZ v Ireland game when an Irishman batted the ball dead and we got the PT....
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@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
@booboo said in AB Test Team v France.:
@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
That's not to say I disagree with the deliberate throw or bat out being a penalty.
Perhaps you mean "propel"?
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That English fluffybunny commentator. What a grade A fuckwit! Reminded me of those English "fans" that you got popping up around 2003, probably thinks anyone brown in the ABs is poached. Among other doozeys, a couple of standouts for me:
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Calling for Ofa to be sent off for cleaning out Vaamahina. Ignoring the fact Vaamahina just did the exact same thing.
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Momentarily starting to ponder who had played well for the ABs when MOM was raised, only to immediately state no it has to go to a French player. They just had their score doubled you dickhead.
If we have too many more games with DMac and SBW both starting I'm going to need a new TV.
Todd shits on Savea at the moment.
Thought Taylor was excellent, massive improvement in him this year.
Pretty ghastly reading the amount of whinging about the ref in this thread. Had some not so flash moments but otherwise good. Funny to read people call SBW dumb for not knowing the rules, then immediately in uproar at a penalty try being awarded...is that irony?
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
Funny to read people call SBW dumb for not knowing the rules, then immediately in uproar at a penalty try being awarded...is that irony?
No idea. Will need to call in a foreign irony-assessor consultant. Outside our collective area of expertise.
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@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
Funny to read people call SBW dumb for not knowing the rules, then immediately in uproar at a penalty try being awarded...is that irony?
No idea. Will need to call in a foreign irony-assessor consultant. Outside our collective area of expertise.
@rapido said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
Funny to read people call SBW dumb for not knowing the rules, then immediately in uproar at a penalty try being awarded...is that irony?
No idea. Will need to call in a foreign irony-assessor consultant. Outside our collective area of expertise.
Yeah. I think that could be irony. It's certainly better than rain on your wedding day or a black fly in your chardonnay.
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@booboo said in AB Test Team v France.:
@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
That's not to say I disagree with the deliberate throw or bat out being a penalty.
Perhaps you mean "propel"?
@booboo said in AB Test Team v France.:
@booboo said in AB Test Team v France.:
@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
That's not to say I disagree with the deliberate throw or bat out being a penalty.
Perhaps you mean "propel"?
Sorry, thought that part was obvious.
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fun 40 minutes. then a rubbish 40 minutes. If the game is too easy at the start, these blokes just clock off, and i can sort of understand that, given we've basically been pissing our way through test rugby for about 8 years. Do they really, deep down, respect anyone now? Probably England (because of the unknown), and maybe Ireland? Otherwise it just looks like we go through the motions for huge portions of games, knowing if we get that 10-15 minute window we'll blow the game out.
My point would be, there are more than a few guys running around at the moment who don't really deserve to have that attitude.
Some of our play is just shambolic at times, and helter skelter at others. Fun to watch when it works, infuriating when it doesn't, which is a lot now.
Our pack is going well considering we are down some top players, and are carrying a couple who just aren't good enough. Coles has been well off when he has played. Fifita is a complete non-entity as a test player. S Barrett isn't good enough either. Why the fuck is Crockett, one of the most experienced players, giving away so many penalties around the ground these days?
In the backs Barrett is playing pretty ordinary, none of our midfielders are exactly screaming "first on the team sheet!" Crotty gets pulled off on here something fierce, but i think he has been just adequate this season. Our wingers are superb, Ioane is just a revelation. Naholo seems to be getting better. The quicker we get rid of DMac the better.
We're hit and miss off the bench.
On the positives, Whitelock was the guy who got shit done when the game turned to custard, his last half hour was enormous. Cane is the physical presence in the loosies, but because we have played ordinary players at 6 all year, is sort of having to ignore being a menace at the breakdown. Smith is running the show well, but falls into that "erratic" shit far too easy. The wingers are fucking great. Todd was streets ahead of anything Savea has put out.
And i want to single our Kane Hames, who seems like a really smart prop. He seems to lose a scrum or two early in the game, works out his opposite number, and then fucks him after that. He really sorted that French scum out yesterday, and i loved him letting his opposite know all about it. Those two props have had huge years, and considering who we have to come back, the depth there is ridiculous.
That French team was a bit shit, so i am not overly stoked with the result. It was just a continuation of a year where we haven't actually played all that great. It's not fun to watch.
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@marty said in AB Test Team v France.:
@crash Thought that defence was actually one of the bright points of the AB performance
They only breached our try line once and a half, the half being the winger who slid into touch. SBW' penalty try doesn't count. Solid D really.
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@taniwharugby said in AB Test Team v France.:
@act-crusader he captained the Baabaa game didn't he? just woulda thought with Whitelock out there, he was a more suitable leader.
They know what Whitelock can do when it comes to leadership. I think it’s more a case of letting other younger guys develop ala Cane at World Cup.
Whitelock will probably hang em up around the same time as Read, so better to have given those chances to others for the future is probable where they see value.
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
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fun 40 minutes. then a rubbish 40 minutes. If the game is too easy at the start, these blokes just clock off, and i can sort of understand that, given we've basically been pissing our way through test rugby for about 8 years. Do they really, deep down, respect anyone now? Probably England (because of the unknown), and maybe Ireland? Otherwise it just looks like we go through the motions for huge portions of games, knowing if we get that 10-15 minute window we'll blow the game out.
My point would be, there are more than a few guys running around at the moment who don't really deserve to have that attitude.
Some of our play is just shambolic at times, and helter skelter at others. Fun to watch when it works, infuriating when it doesn't, which is a lot now.
Our pack is going well considering we are down some top players, and are carrying a couple who just aren't good enough. Coles has been well off when he has played. Fifita is a complete non-entity as a test player. S Barrett isn't good enough either. Why the fuck is Crockett, one of the most experienced players, giving away so many penalties around the ground these days?
In the backs Barrett is playing pretty ordinary, none of our midfielders are exactly screaming "first on the team sheet!" Crotty gets pulled off on here something fierce, but i think he has been just adequate this season. Our wingers are superb, Ioane is just a revelation. Naholo seems to be getting better. The quicker we get rid of DMac the better.
We're hit and miss off the bench.
On the positives, Whitelock was the guy who got shit done when the game turned to custard, his last half hour was enormous. Cane is the physical presence in the loosies, but because we have played ordinary players at 6 all year, is sort of having to ignore being a menace at the breakdown. Smith is running the show well, but falls into that "erratic" shit far too easy. The wingers are fucking great. Todd was streets ahead of anything Savea has put out.
And i want to single our Kane Hames, who seems like a really smart prop. He seems to lose a scrum or two early in the game, works out his opposite number, and then fucks him after that. He really sorted that French scum out yesterday, and i loved him letting his opposite know all about it. Those two props have had huge years, and considering who we have to come back, the depth there is ridiculous.
That French team was a bit shit, so i am not overly stoked with the result. It was just a continuation of a year where we haven't actually played all that great. It's not fun to watch.
@mariner4life Good to see you back buddy.
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Watching a replay now and Gardner is a shit ref.
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fun 40 minutes. then a rubbish 40 minutes. If the game is too easy at the start, these blokes just clock off, and i can sort of understand that, given we've basically been pissing our way through test rugby for about 8 years. Do they really, deep down, respect anyone now? Probably England (because of the unknown), and maybe Ireland? Otherwise it just looks like we go through the motions for huge portions of games, knowing if we get that 10-15 minute window we'll blow the game out.
My point would be, there are more than a few guys running around at the moment who don't really deserve to have that attitude.
Some of our play is just shambolic at times, and helter skelter at others. Fun to watch when it works, infuriating when it doesn't, which is a lot now.
Our pack is going well considering we are down some top players, and are carrying a couple who just aren't good enough. Coles has been well off when he has played. Fifita is a complete non-entity as a test player. S Barrett isn't good enough either. Why the fuck is Crockett, one of the most experienced players, giving away so many penalties around the ground these days?
In the backs Barrett is playing pretty ordinary, none of our midfielders are exactly screaming "first on the team sheet!" Crotty gets pulled off on here something fierce, but i think he has been just adequate this season. Our wingers are superb, Ioane is just a revelation. Naholo seems to be getting better. The quicker we get rid of DMac the better.
We're hit and miss off the bench.
On the positives, Whitelock was the guy who got shit done when the game turned to custard, his last half hour was enormous. Cane is the physical presence in the loosies, but because we have played ordinary players at 6 all year, is sort of having to ignore being a menace at the breakdown. Smith is running the show well, but falls into that "erratic" shit far too easy. The wingers are fucking great. Todd was streets ahead of anything Savea has put out.
And i want to single our Kane Hames, who seems like a really smart prop. He seems to lose a scrum or two early in the game, works out his opposite number, and then fucks him after that. He really sorted that French scum out yesterday, and i loved him letting his opposite know all about it. Those two props have had huge years, and considering who we have to come back, the depth there is ridiculous.
That French team was a bit shit, so i am not overly stoked with the result. It was just a continuation of a year where we haven't actually played all that great. It's not fun to watch.
@mariner4life where you been bro?
Or as Ms.boo jr would say "brah?"
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Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
@westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
Think Hooper will be the first player to 200 comfortably. 76 caps and just turned 26 last month.
Sam Whitelock for us potentially? 93 caps at age 29.
