Things that annoy you about rugby...
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@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
@bones tbh its only cos shes a bit of an inside day here I watched the Blues, only usually watch derby matches or other NZ sides in the 1930 slot, next to no NH rugby watching going on for me...but is an issue
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At some point a captain should just say no
No no no, stop the game, this is horseshit.And then point out to the ref that the ruck is on the halfway, and hence there is no way the ball on the 10m can not be out.
I know that we are basically the pioneers of pushing the boundaries, but the game is entering joke status.
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@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
Murray completely takes the piss with that. Frustrating to watch.
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@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
Murray completely takes the piss with that. Frustrating to watch.
@no-quarter said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
Murray completely takes the piss with that. Frustrating to watch.
Plays the game to the letter of the law. If that's hwo it'll be refereed, play that way - that will drive change more than whinging
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@no-quarter said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
Murray completely takes the piss with that. Frustrating to watch.
Plays the game to the letter of the law. If that's hwo it'll be refereed, play that way - that will drive change more than whinging
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One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
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One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
Christ. Do you just hate defenders?
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@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
Christ. Do you just hate defenders?
@rapido said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
Christ. Do you just hate defenders?
well, he's a Blues fan...
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One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
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@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
@booboo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
Yep, like calling for the ball when you're running a defensive line behind someome. Seems to work well, and it's just smart play
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@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
@booboo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
In my opinion as a viewer a pass in this instance is a positive attacking piece of play - when this is occuring typically the defender is facing their own goal line which means the attacking team is making/made a break and has momentum - knocking it down with no intention of catching it is a negative play and just takes away the momentum in a cheap way.
I just find it negative just like how an intentional knock forward is penalised instead of a straight knock on or like how intentionally knock the ball out of play is penalised (e.g. SBW v France last year).
However to be clear I'm not talking about changing the rule cos I understand it could then open up a can of worms (e.g. knocking the ball back from a lineout etc). It just annoys me is all.
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@no-quarter said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
Murray completely takes the piss with that. Frustrating to watch.
Plays the game to the letter of the law. If that's hwo it'll be refereed, play that way - that will drive change more than whinging
@nzzp said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@no-quarter said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
Murray completely takes the piss with that. Frustrating to watch.
Plays the game to the letter of the law. If that's hwo it'll be refereed, play that way - that will drive change more than whinging
I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite of playing to the letter of the law
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@nzzp said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@no-quarter said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
Murray completely takes the piss with that. Frustrating to watch.
Plays the game to the letter of the law. If that's hwo it'll be refereed, play that way - that will drive change more than whinging
I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite of playing to the letter of the law
@rapido said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite of playing to the letter of the law
Look, I don't like it and I would like something to be done. I just think that if you can make it look ridiculous week after week, something will be done.
As for the 'letter of the law', I'd challenge anyone to actually play the game the way the law book sets it out. So much of rugby is accepted referees interpretation. I have issues with it, but it's just the way life will go.
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@booboo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
Yep, like calling for the ball when you're running a defensive line behind someome. Seems to work well, and it's just smart play
@nzzp said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@booboo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
Yep, like calling for the ball when you're running a defensive line behind someome. Seems to work well, and it's just smart play
I think so too. However there was a massive thread on the refs forum a while back about whether calling for a pass from the opposition was contrary to the spirit of the game and should be penalized. Daft idea in my view, but there you go. Was split fairly evenly if I recall correctly.
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@booboo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
In my opinion as a viewer a pass in this instance is a positive attacking piece of play - when this is occuring typically the defender is facing their own goal line which means the attacking team is making/made a break and has momentum - knocking it down with no intention of catching it is a negative play and just takes away the momentum in a cheap way.
I just find it negative just like how an intentional knock forward is penalised instead of a straight knock on or like how intentionally knock the ball out of play is penalised (e.g. SBW v France last year).
However to be clear I'm not talking about changing the rule cos I understand it could then open up a can of worms (e.g. knocking the ball back from a lineout etc). It just annoys me is all.
@kiwimurph I agree with you, there was an instance a few weeks back where I commented in the game thread about it, it was a very deliberate action, solely aimed at stopping the pass making it to the other player, zero attempt to even catch it.
But I got shouted down, so I got back into my box.
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@kiwimurph I agree with you, there was an instance a few weeks back where I commented in the game thread about it, it was a very deliberate action, solely aimed at stopping the pass making it to the other player, zero attempt to even catch it.
But I got shouted down, so I got back into my box.
@taniwharugby said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph I agree with you, there was an instance a few weeks back where I commented in the game thread about it, it was a very deliberate action, solely aimed at stopping the pass making it to the other player, zero attempt to even catch it.
But I got shouted down, so I got back into my box.
I've got no issue with it as long as people are batting it backwards. It's negative, and it looks bad, but so can a good tackle
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@nzzp said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@booboo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
Yep, like calling for the ball when you're running a defensive line behind someome. Seems to work well, and it's just smart play
I think so too. However there was a massive thread on the refs forum a while back about whether calling for a pass from the opposition was contrary to the spirit of the game and should be penalized. Daft idea in my view, but there you go. Was split fairly evenly if I recall correctly.
@damo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@nzzp said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@booboo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
Yep, like calling for the ball when you're running a defensive line behind someome. Seems to work well, and it's just smart play
I think so too. However there was a massive thread on the refs forum a while back about whether calling for a pass from the opposition was contrary to the spirit of the game and should be penalized. Daft idea in my view, but there you go. Was split fairly evenly if I recall correctly.
That refs forum really does have a hardcore collection of imbeciles. Why would you argue for more subjective interpretation of player's intentions? "I was running back and called inside to let my other defenders know where to go, and then the attacker threw the ball in my direction, so I caught it and you want to penalise me?" There's a reason why non-vision impaired players wear what are supposed to be distinctive uniforms.
Quite frankly, if you're passing close enough that someone can swat the ball backwards to their own line and beat you to it, you've thrown a poor pass and deserve to lose possession.
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@damo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@nzzp said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@booboo said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwimurph said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
One thing i've noticed a lot this year is defending teams intentionally knocking an attacking pass backwards/down as they face their own goal-line chasing in defense.
It's legal - as the goes backwards not down/forwards but to me seems a bit of a cheap cop out. There is no intention to catch the ball whatsoever - its a very negative play.
It's clever. If a team makes a stupid pass too close to defenders why should they be rewarded?
Yep, like calling for the ball when you're running a defensive line behind someome. Seems to work well, and it's just smart play
I think so too. However there was a massive thread on the refs forum a while back about whether calling for a pass from the opposition was contrary to the spirit of the game and should be penalized. Daft idea in my view, but there you go. Was split fairly evenly if I recall correctly.
That refs forum really does have a hardcore collection of imbeciles. Why would you argue for more subjective interpretation of player's intentions? "I was running back and called inside to let my other defenders know where to go, and then the attacker threw the ball in my direction, so I caught it and you want to penalise me?" There's a reason why non-vision impaired players wear what are supposed to be distinctive uniforms.
Quite frankly, if you're passing close enough that someone can swat the ball backwards to their own line and beat you to it, you've thrown a poor pass and deserve to lose possession.
@antipodean well if you're passing close enough that someone can swat the ball up/forward and beat you to it, you've thrown a poor pass, only diff is you get a pen, and likely a YC...see plenty of genuine intercepts that get punished.
Anywhoo, re-read the thread title, 4th word is the key
Back in my box, I had this same conversation already.
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@antipodean well if you're passing close enough that someone can swat the ball up/forward and beat you to it, you've thrown a poor pass, only diff is you get a pen, and likely a YC...see plenty of genuine intercepts that get punished.
Anywhoo, re-read the thread title, 4th word is the key
Back in my box, I had this same conversation already.
@taniwharugby said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
see plenty of genuine intercepts that get punished.
You mean plenty of failed intercepts.
I have a simple rule - you catch it or you get penalised. If you're hitting it forward, you're knocking it on, not juggling it in the act of catching.
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@taniwharugby said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
see plenty of genuine intercepts that get punished.
You mean plenty of failed intercepts.
I have a simple rule - you catch it or you get penalised. If you're hitting it forward, you're knocking it on, not juggling it in the act of catching.
@antipodean ha yeah, failed attempts
Although, Junior Tonu'u got pinged for a deliberate knock forward, that he ended up regathering for Auckland many years ago
