AB's v Wales
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And, I think he's playing the most similar game to Read at the moment too, who has been a bit tight for me (I can't remember the last time I saw him ranging on the fringes giving offloads), but perhaps that's to do with them shifting the role of the 6 a bit and looking for that sort of game from the young sixes. With that in mind, I like the balance of Squire, Whitelock and Cane, but I think there is a lot of pressure on Squire to contribute. Long term, I guess that Squire is the 8 in waiting, but perhaps there is a place for Whitelock as the guy who can be called in (ala Matt Todd) to start when needed.
@gt12 Suspect Read has been tighter partly in response to BBBR, Franks and Moody being out. Have noticed Squire has been loitering out wide, and scored a couple of nice tries as a result. Whitelock probably being asked to play a 'tight Read' game.
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@chris-b said in AB's v Wales:
I don't for a minute think our coaches are beyond reproach in terms of the way they've handled the succession of various positions. At hooker, for instance, they persisted on and on with just Mealamu and Hore, and eventually got lucky that Coles came along - with no discernible Plan B.
Probably not the best example - they looked at a bunch of hookers, and very deliberately worked with Coles to lift his game. He became a far far better player after time in black with the coaching staff.
I'd say deliberate planning contributed more than luck
@nzzp said in AB's v Wales:
@chris-b said in AB's v Wales:
I don't for a minute think our coaches are beyond reproach in terms of the way they've handled the succession of various positions. At hooker, for instance, they persisted on and on with just Mealamu and Hore, and eventually got lucky that Coles came along - with no discernible Plan B.
Probably not the best example - they looked at a bunch of hookers...
Did they?
My memory is that they went out of their way not to give people like Flynn and Elliot game time, even when Mealamu and Hore were creaking into their mid-thirties. I think they used de Malmanche briefly - but, Flynn ADM and Eliot pretty much only got a run when one of the top two was injured and acquired barely a handful of test starts among them (in fact, four).
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On Whitelock’s captaincy….
About time Samwise of the Whitelocks was handed the captain’s armband.
I was at the Principality Stadium in 2015 for the RWC quarter final against France, and I was most impressed with Sam Whitelock – he was simply outstanding.
With his partner in crime BBBR - he just kept trucking it up into heavy contact (those French boys were pretty big units) all night, they marked up on him too, often 2 or 3 in the tackle. And he didn’t shirk his defensive duties in the tight either; tackling, hitting ruck after ruck, shifting bodies, getting up, tackling again, seeking out the next contact area.
This season for the Crusaders he was a revelation - commanding respect, when the chips were down, he gathered the team together, gave a few pointed comments (seemingly something like just farking get on with it and lets win this thing) and simply rolled up his sleeves himself. Definitely a captain in the mould of “over the top with me, boys”
He is a better option to captain the ABs than Read IMHO. Read is just too smiley. I just don’t think he has the gravitas to press his claims with the Ref at vital times as much as he should, and equally for the team when the going is tough. He is just too well…nice. I think Sam will say it how it is. A no-nonsense approach.
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@gt12 Suspect Read has been tighter partly in response to BBBR, Franks and Moody being out. Have noticed Squire has been loitering out wide, and scored a couple of nice tries as a result. Whitelock probably being asked to play a 'tight Read' game.
@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@gt12 Suspect Read has been tighter partly in response to BBBR, Franks and Moody being out. Have noticed Squire has been loitering out wide, and scored a couple of nice tries as a result. Whitelock probably being asked to play a 'tight Read' game.
The roles have changed as when Kaino was the 6 he played tighter allowing Read to roam in the wider channels. This year Read has assumed the tighter role while Squire plays wider.
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WALES TEAM TO PLAY NEW ZEALAND
(Saturday 25 November KO 17.15)Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets) (72 Caps)
Hallam Amos (Dragons) (13 Caps)
Scott Williams (Scarlets) (49 Caps)
Owen Williams (Gloucester) (2 Caps)
Steff Evans (Scarlets) (3 Caps)
Dan Biggar (Ospreys) (58 Caps)
Rhys Webb (Ospreys) (29 Caps);- Rob Evans (Scarlets) (18 Caps)
- Ken Owens (Scarlets) (51 Caps)
- Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (25 Caps)
- Jake Ball (Scarlets) (27 Caps)
- Alun Wyn Jones (CAPT) (Ospreys) (111 Caps)
- Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (11 Caps)
- Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues) (5 Caps)
- Taulupe Faletau (Bath) (68 Caps)
REPLACEMENTS:
16. Kristian Dacey (Cardiff Blues) (6 Caps)
17. Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (3 Caps)
18. Leon Brown (Dragons) (2 Caps)
19. Cory Hill (Dragons) (8 Caps)
20. Justin Tipuric (Ospreys) (51 Caps)
21. Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (26 Caps)
22. Rhys Priestland (Bath) (49 Caps)
23. Jamie Roberts (Harlequins) (93 Caps)Best we can do I guess considering the squad and injuries.
Would have had Watkin instead of Roberts.
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Didn't watch much Crusaders in SR, but watched them v Lions. Was not impressed with Sam's captaincy in that game, at all.
@rapido said in AB's v Wales:
Didn't watch much Crusaders in SR, but watched them v Lions. Was not impressed with Sam's captaincy in that game, at all.
Why?
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Didn't watch much Crusaders in SR, but watched them v Lions. Was not impressed with Sam's captaincy in that game, at all.
@rapido said in AB's v Wales:
Didn't watch much Crusaders in SR, but watched them v Lions. Was not impressed with Sam's captaincy in that game, at all.
Pretty small sample size then. I watched almost all of the 'Saders games and I was dead impressed with his leadership. One of the reasons they won it I reckon.
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@rapido said in AB's v Wales:
Didn't watch much Crusaders in SR, but watched them v Lions. Was not impressed with Sam's captaincy in that game, at all.
Pretty small sample size then. I watched almost all of the 'Saders games and I was dead impressed with his leadership. One of the reasons they won it I reckon.
@snowy yep, those early games when they fought back from so far behind as they built into the season and then becoming the first team to win an away final....vs the Lions.
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Another advantage to Luke Wgitelock is the partnership he has with Squire as a 6/8, they play week in, week out together. So there isn't much of a shake up with the loose trio by bringing him in. While he hasn't played much with Cane, he's probably played 25 games with Liam Squire.
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Why isn't Tipuric starting?
I didn't see the Wales-Aust game so have no idea how Navidi played.
@bovidae said in AB's v Wales:
Why isn't Tipuric starting?
I didn't see the Wales-Aust game so have no idea how Navidi played.
First game back from injury.
Navidi went OK. Plenty of dog. Came on against Georgia and didn't have a big impact.
Solid club player who's had two good seasons but only there because of injury.
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Big Sam is going to get a haircut and shave next week. He will look like his dad but with more hair. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/99243914/all-blacks-lock-shaving-beard-and-head-to-help-7yearold
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Justin Harrison being a smart arse about the Haka
