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  • Baron Silas GreenbackB Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="566650" data-time="1458685274">
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    <p>I thought I saw something the other day saying it would be another 1/3 on top of the existing budget in NZ?</p>
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    <p>And there is  ZERO chance that they would get rid of welfare, they would still need top ups.</p>
    <p>The plans is retarded and just another deluded fantasy of the regressive left.</p>

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  • NTAN Offline
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="566650" data-time="1458685274">
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    <p>I thought I saw something the other day saying it would be another 1/3 on top of the existing budget in NZ?</p>
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    <p>Might be a remark about welfare levels in NZ in general, cost of living etc. Unemployment rate is only 5.8% compared to our 6.2% for example. Smaller population.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I wasn't sure if the back-of-napkin would include the cost of the public service support to it, or whether it was just payments.</p>

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    <p>Just to move away from music videos ~ I just got a surface pro 4 (through work) and went online to see what it can do (I just wanted it because you don't have to take it out when going through airport security ~ lazy bastard that I am). </p>
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    <p>University (and school) would be a breeze.</p>

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  • NepiaN Online
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    Nepia
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Gary" data-cid="566757" data-time="1458737226">
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    <p>Just to move away from music videos ~ I just got a surface pro 4 (through work) and went online to see what it can do (I just wanted it because you don't have to take it out when going through airport security ~ lazy bastard that I am). </p>
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    <p>University (and school) would be a breeze.</p>
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    <p>You'll have to take a surface pro out at airport security - I always get told to take my tablet out.</p>

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    Bones
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="566799" data-time="1458767786"><p>You'll have to take a surface pro out at airport security - I always get told to take my tablet out.</p></blockquote>
    Yeah that confused me a tad...

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  • G Offline
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    Gary
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    <p>Not when I've traveled through Canada and Europe - guys I've been with have left them in their bags while I'm taking out my laptop.</p>

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    Tim
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    <p>Normally I can just leave my tablet in my carry on bag, but I've had to take it out sometimes in France. I suspect this was just the security person being a dick that day.</p>

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    Always have to bloody take it out here in the UK and NZ it seems.

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="566638" data-time="1458683987"><p>Someone at work here did the back-of-napkin calculations: social welfare versus a basic living wage in Australia worked out to be within $2B of each other.</p></blockquote><br>I sincerely doubt that. Social security and welfare consumes $154 billion and about 80% of the population are adults. That would mean everyone would get about $8,000<br><br>If you gave only half the adult population a living wage of the tax free threshold it would still require another 10% and that's a pretty shit "living wage".

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  • NTAN Offline
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    Think his number was $156B. <br><br>
    So if paid to the 18.4M adults, you're talking $162 per week / $703 a month / nearly $8500 per annum.

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    <p>Labour have shown just how bad they are politically with this. They never intended to endorse this concept or hold it out as policy but what they were doing was a fairly (for them) forward thinking bit of brainstorming about where we are heading as a society and what kind of things we should be looking at.</p>
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    <p>The overall concept of creating a system where the production advantages from technology create wealth which is redistributed among the population is not an entirely stupid one. The devil is in the detail and the transition would be all round scary.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>For me it wouldn't be a question of creating layabouts it would be a re-designed society where 'social' tasks are done to qualify for a living entitlement. This is all idealism but certainly worth discussing and thinking about.</p>
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    <p>Now if labour had any smarts they would have packaged this as a whole 'Labour are thinking long term and holding various events and conferences to look at where we may be and what we may need to be doing sometime in the future. This can help shape current short and medium term policies.'</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Instead they painted a big target on their own backs for the media to take potshots and for everyone to laugh at.</p>

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    Labour first mistake was listening to that arseclown Gareth Morgan, everything else after that was fruit from a poison tree.

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    <p>but Gareth's a god....</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>.... unless you're a pussy</p>

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    <p>Toffees, respect</p>
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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/78257845/hotter-than-the-sun--kiwi-footballer-laura-merrin-hits-the-headlines'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/78257845/hotter-than-the-sun--kiwi-footballer-laura-merrin-hits-the-headlines</a></p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="566929" data-time="1458802625"><p>
    Toffees, respect<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/78257845/hotter-than-the-sun--kiwi-footballer-laura-merrin-hits-the-headlines">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/78257845/hotter-than-the-sun--kiwi-footballer-laura-merrin-hits-the-headlines</a></p></blockquote>
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    Jebus

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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/78265023/op-shop-given-so-many-copies-of-fifty-shades-of-grey-it-built-a-fort-with-the-books'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/78265023/op-shop-given-so-many-copies-of-fifty-shades-of-grey-it-built-a-fort-with-the-books</a></p>

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    <p>any racing and Grime fans? very clever mash up</p>
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  • NTAN Offline
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    <p>Scientists try to replicate climate denier findings and fail.</p>
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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://grist.org/news/scientists-try-to-replicate-climate-denier-findings-and-fail/'>http://grist.org/news/scientists-try-to-replicate-climate-denier-findings-and-fail/</a></p>

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    Careful ... Winger may be watching.<br><br>
    (A couple of stories have popped up over the last couple of months that I wanted to post and discuss ... but then I remember ... and just let it go ... )

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    <p>LOL I have been thinking about that. So fuck it, let's go in boots and all:</p>
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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/base-load-power-a-myth-used-to-defend-the-fossil-fuel-industry-96007'>http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/base-load-power-a-myth-used-to-defend-the-fossil-fuel-industry-96007</a></p>
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">Last week, leading lights of the global fossil power industry gathered </span><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://ceraweek.com/2016/'>at a conference</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> in Houston, Texas, for CERA, known in the sector as the “Davos of Energy”. They reportedly got the shock of their professional careers.</span>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> </p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">They had invited the most senior executives from the biggest network owner (Chine State Grid Corp) in the biggest energy market in the world (China). The organisers fully expected their Chinese guest to endorse the “all of the above” marketing pitch, which is underpinning the “keep coal” campaign.</p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> </p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">No such luck. Despite prodding by leading oil industry commentator Daniel Yergin, the chairman of State Grid Liu Zhenya <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.eenews.net/energywire/2016/02/26/stories/1060033055'>reportedly said</a> the “fundamental solution was to accelerate clean energy, with the aim of replacing coal and oil.”</p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> </p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">Gasp number one. And then to more stunned silence, he and State Grid’s R&D chief Huang Han dismissed coal’s claim to be an indispensable source of “base load” generation.</p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> </p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">As the network operator builds out its clean power sources, they noted, coal-fired generators could only serve as “reserve power” to supplement renewables.</p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> </p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">“The only hurdle to overcome is ‘mindset’,” Liu said. “There’s no technical challenge at all.”</p>
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    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> </p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> </p>
    <p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:tahoma, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;"> :lol: Not what they were expecting from China  :biggrin:</p>

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