All Blacks Squad for France
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@machpants said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Mmm grey area, playing for landers and Japanese club, does that make them eligible or not? I guess not because their contract is with Steelers, landers just have an out on that - possibly
Still eligible I think. Nonu did it a wee while ago
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@nzzp Josh Blackie was the first to do it I believe?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nzzp Josh Blackie was the first to do it I believe?
God, Josh Blackie. Damn but we had some openside depth in NZ in those days. The lions came in '05 and every week they faced some guy in a 7 jersey who should probably have been a test player (if they weren't already). Guns everywhere. And all parked behind arguably the greatest rugby player of all time
Now we have Ardie fucking Savea on the bench.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nzzp Josh Blackie was the first to do it I believe?
God, Josh Blackie. Damn but we had some openside depth in NZ in those days. The lions came in '05 and every week they faced some guy in a 7 jersey who should probably have been a test player (if they weren't already). Guns everywhere. And all parked behind arguably the greatest rugby player of all time
Now we have Ardie fucking Savea on the bench.
@mariner4life Even in a heavy defeat Josh Bradnock had the better of his opposite for Manawatu.
That tour started with BOP didnt it, and NIli Latu tearing his opposite apart.
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@mariner4life Even in a heavy defeat Josh Bradnock had the better of his opposite for Manawatu.
That tour started with BOP didnt it, and NIli Latu tearing his opposite apart.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
That tour started with BOP didnt it, and NIli Latu tearing his opposite apart.
yep, certainly did. Planet Rugby in their tour review gave him Provincial Player of the tour or something, as his performance set the scene for what they were going to face all month.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
That tour started with BOP didnt it, and NIli Latu tearing his opposite apart.
yep, certainly did. Planet Rugby in their tour review gave him Provincial Player of the tour or something, as his performance set the scene for what they were going to face all month.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
That tour started with BOP didnt it, and NIli Latu tearing his opposite apart.
yep, certainly did. Planet Rugby in their tour review gave him Provincial Player of the tour or something, as his performance set the scene for what they were going to face all month.
That Maori outfit that beat the Lions was stacked full of gun players. By comparison, last year's team didn't get anywhere near the heights
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@no-quarter while i understand the thinking, B Smith is our best FB, and should play there. You then find the best winger.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@no-quarter while i understand the thinking, B Smith is our best FB, and should play there. You then find the best winger.
Ben Smith's also the best right wing (probably the best wing fullstop, but it's paying Rieko a major compliment that I'm considering him).
I don't mind too much if they play him on the wing - there was a game a couple of years ago vs Wales where he was on the wing and he was sensational.
Overall it's a question of whether the Ben/Jordie combo is better than Waisake/Ben combo. And whether Jordie's Big Mac combo enters the thinking in any way.
In any case, I'm sure we'll see 14. Ben/15. Jordie at some point during this series - question is simply whether they'll start it in the first test.
(I'm somewhat inclined to think they will, because Jordie is a bit of a "favourite son").
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@no-quarter while i understand the thinking, B Smith is our best FB, and should play there. You then find the best winger.
Ben Smith's also the best right wing (probably the best wing fullstop, but it's paying Rieko a major compliment that I'm considering him).
I don't mind too much if they play him on the wing - there was a game a couple of years ago vs Wales where he was on the wing and he was sensational.
Overall it's a question of whether the Ben/Jordie combo is better than Waisake/Ben combo. And whether Jordie's Big Mac combo enters the thinking in any way.
In any case, I'm sure we'll see 14. Ben/15. Jordie at some point during this series - question is simply whether they'll start it in the first test.
(I'm somewhat inclined to think they will, because Jordie is a bit of a "favourite son").
@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
because Jordie is a bit of a "favourite son"
pffft no. really? i hadn't noticed...
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@no-quarter while i understand the thinking, B Smith is our best FB, and should play there. You then find the best winger.
Ben Smith's also the best right wing (probably the best wing fullstop, but it's paying Rieko a major compliment that I'm considering him).
I don't mind too much if they play him on the wing - there was a game a couple of years ago vs Wales where he was on the wing and he was sensational.
Overall it's a question of whether the Ben/Jordie combo is better than Waisake/Ben combo. And whether Jordie's Big Mac combo enters the thinking in any way.
In any case, I'm sure we'll see 14. Ben/15. Jordie at some point during this series - question is simply whether they'll start it in the first test.
(I'm somewhat inclined to think they will, because Jordie is a bit of a "favourite son").
@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Overall it's a question of whether the Ben/Jordie combo is better than Waisake/Ben combo. And whether Jordie's Big Mac combo enters the thinking in any way.
They like two fullbacks, and have for a long time. I can't see The Mac of JB affecting that - no major issues, it's his mate who seems to have led him to the wrong house
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@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Overall it's a question of whether the Ben/Jordie combo is better than Waisake/Ben combo. And whether Jordie's Big Mac combo enters the thinking in any way.
They like two fullbacks, and have for a long time. I can't see The Mac of JB affecting that - no major issues, it's his mate who seems to have led him to the wrong house
@nzzp said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Overall it's a question of whether the Ben/Jordie combo is better than Waisake/Ben combo. And whether Jordie's Big Mac combo enters the thinking in any way.
They like two fullbacks, and have for a long time. I can't see The Mac of JB affecting that - no major issues, it's his mate who seems to have led him to the wrong house
Please don't make light of this. The Herald told me it was part of a 'Horror' weekend. Nothing less than a tearful public apology from Jordie then Reiko will suffice.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Overall it's a question of whether the Ben/Jordie combo is better than Waisake/Ben combo. And whether Jordie's Big Mac combo enters the thinking in any way.
They like two fullbacks, and have for a long time. I can't see The Mac of JB affecting that - no major issues, it's his mate who seems to have led him to the wrong house
Please don't make light of this. The Herald told me it was part of a 'Horror' weekend. Nothing less than a tearful public apology from Jordie then Reiko will suffice.
@mn5 the only horror is our injury toll!
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@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Overall it's a question of whether the Ben/Jordie combo is better than Waisake/Ben combo. And whether Jordie's Big Mac combo enters the thinking in any way.
They like two fullbacks, and have for a long time. I can't see The Mac of JB affecting that - no major issues, it's his mate who seems to have led him to the wrong house
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@nzzp Yeah - just if it's a close run thing, then Hansen might use it as a cheap lesson for Jordie that nothing good happens after 3am.
A bit along the lines of "You'd be playing today son if you hadn't been in the papers last weekend".
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@nzzp Yeah - just if it's a close run thing, then Hansen might use it as a cheap lesson for Jordie that nothing good happens after 3am.
A bit along the lines of "You'd be playing today son if you hadn't been in the papers last weekend".
@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nzzp Yeah - just if it's a close run thing, then Hansen might use it as a cheap lesson for Jordie that nothing good happens after 3am.
A bit along the lines of "You'd be playing today son if you hadn't been in the papers last weekend".
Well yeah but then he'll have to find a new left winger after dropping Ioane cos the way the Herald are reporting it you'd think he was the first guy in Rugbys entire history to get into a bit of rough housing with a teammate.
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@chris-b although he also could have the same conversation with Ioane...
@taniwharugby That one's less of a close run thing, though.
I'd be interested to know who smacked him.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nzzp Yeah - just if it's a close run thing, then Hansen might use it as a cheap lesson for Jordie that nothing good happens after 3am.
A bit along the lines of "You'd be playing today son if you hadn't been in the papers last weekend".
Well yeah but then he'll have to find a new left winger after dropping Ioane cos the way the Herald are reporting it you'd think he was the first guy in Rugbys entire history to get into a bit of rough housing with a teammate.
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@mn5 bro I think players of yesteryear will be eternally thankful of playing days without cameras everywhere and social media justice.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mn5 bro I think players of yesteryear will be eternally thankful of playing days without cameras everywhere and social media justice.
Imagine if Norm Hewitt played these days! He was hung out to dry 20 years ago, the poor bigger would be torn limb from limb in today's climate.
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So, I think this French side is going to be better than people think. The TAB have them at 10-1 outsiders, witha 24.5 head start to teh ABs.
I, for one, am not convinced by this.
We are seeing this season and last season the effect of the NH drain on players. Think about who would be starting if we didn't have the pressure on players heading away - locks aside, you'd have Charlie F in the front row, Luatua and Vito at the back, TKB at 9, Tom Taylor (and others) at 10, and then Piutau headlining a back division. To be fair, you coudl probably pick some veterans like McAlister or Toeava as utilities.
This AB 15 looked good, but the bench was weak. Now I think the 15 looks moderately good, with a very weak bench.
Lazy 20 on the Froggies? Seems like smart loss insurance ...
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So, I think this French side is going to be better than people think. The TAB have them at 10-1 outsiders, witha 24.5 head start to teh ABs.
I, for one, am not convinced by this.
We are seeing this season and last season the effect of the NH drain on players. Think about who would be starting if we didn't have the pressure on players heading away - locks aside, you'd have Charlie F in the front row, Luatua and Vito at the back, TKB at 9, Tom Taylor (and others) at 10, and then Piutau headlining a back division. To be fair, you coudl probably pick some veterans like McAlister or Toeava as utilities.
This AB 15 looked good, but the bench was weak. Now I think the 15 looks moderately good, with a very weak bench.
Lazy 20 on the Froggies? Seems like smart loss insurance ...
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@nzzp last time they tipped us up they were at $7 and i hedged. If they are at $10 it would be mad not to!
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nzzp last time they tipped us up they were at $7 and i hedged. If they are at $10 it would be mad not to!
2009 is fresh in my memory. We won the second game in taht series by a squeak from memory
Edit: http://www.allblacks.com/Fixtures/2009
27-22 France in Test 1
14-10 NZ in Test 2. I remember BBBT having a monster game that day, but it's been 9 years, so I no longer trust my brain... -
and i've just whacked $5 on the Frogs @ $11 head to head. That's unreal money given our injuries!
I don't really expect to get that back, but not a bad hedge
