All Blacks v France Test 3
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More gifs, I've discovered a new toy. But I'm struggling with embedding them on here .....
Serin movement before ball is out
You can see that Lacey has finished refereeing the scrum and now wants to back out of the way towards the French posts, but Serin has moved too soon and is blocking him.It's hard to exonerate a ref who has got in the way, but it looks to me like he is doing an orthodox move.
Interestingly I don't think Lacey himself really knew the law on 'refereeing obstruction' judging by the question he asked the TMO. To be fair not many did, including myself.
Alternative angle
If Smith had dummied and gone himself - while the lossies were out of the picture, I think he would have been tackled before the line by the cover defence, McKenzie was hitting that at pace. Smart play by Smith.!
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@rapido dunno he was slip streaming the Dmac line so likely woulda dotted down momentarily later.
Still thing the French 9 has contributed by pushing the ref toward Dmacs line and making the referees positioning worse.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Still thing the French 9 has contributed by pushing the ref toward Dmacs line and making the referees positioning worse.
Absolutely he has.
Serin has broken early, offside, preventing Lacey from getting out of the way. If he had waited 1 second and broken from the scrum legally then Lacey would be out of the way. But the huge gap would have been there for DMac.
A great try optically ruined as I said in an earlier post.
Lacey will be/is getting slaughtered in the media and social media. I'd have more sympathy for him if he had his wits about him and communicated that the defender hitting him was irrelevant or that Serin caused the contact. But he didn't, he asked the TMO to check if he blocked the tackler and then decided that he didn't 'materially' effect the play.
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I think I'm the only fan of Justin Marshall's commentary on the fern, but he did a great disservice on Saturday night.
I admit i had the same thoughts as all 3 in-game commentators at the time. I didn't watch the half time show. it wasn't until hours later when I read posts on here and other sites that ref had no choice.
Too late .....
I still like Justin though, I can forgive the odd rules clanger for the other upsides he brings to the commentary. This was a big clanger though.
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I think I'm the only fan of Justin Marshall's commentary on the fern, but he did a great disservice on Saturday night.
I admit i had the same thoughts as all 3 in-game commentators at the time. I didn't watch the half time show. it wasn't until hours later when I read posts on here and other sites that ref had no choice.
Too late .....
I still like Justin though, I can forgive the odd rules clanger for the other upsides he brings to the commentary. This was a big clanger though.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I can forgive the odd rules clanger
London to a brick if he says one thing, the law says the other.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
Andrew Mehrtens can do that. I would much rather listen to Andrew Mehtrens. He has the humour of a slightly dodgy raconteur combined with a razor sharp analysis and, crucially, a knowledge of the actual laws as opposed to the ones in Marshall World. Why can't we have more Andrew Mehrtens?
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
I agree with you. Marshall is great at interpreting set piece formations and options. But the rest of the time he should shut the hell up. I wonder if he'd be better in a sideline role?
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
Andrew Mehrtens can do that. I would much rather listen to Andrew Mehtrens. He has the humour of a slightly dodgy raconteur combined with a razor sharp analysis and, crucially, a knowledge of the actual laws as opposed to the ones in Marshall World. Why can't we have more Andrew Mehrtens?
@marty said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
Andrew Mehrtens can do that. I would much rather listen to Andrew Mehtrens. He has the humour of a slightly dodgy raconteur combined with a razor sharp analysis and, crucially, a knowledge of the actual laws as opposed to the ones in Marshall World. Why can't we have more Andrew Mehrtens?
No he fucking can't.
Mehtrens is actually exactly who I am thinking of when I think of shit comments men who don't anticipate plays or tell me why expected things aren't happening.
I've posted before on a Hurricanes v Crusaders match last year right during the height of the Beauden kick-pass fad. Hurricanes didn't attempt one all night, I have no idea why because Mehrts was thinking up his next joke rather than giving us any insight on positionings.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
I agree with you. Marshall is great at interpreting set piece formations and options. But the rest of the time he should shut the hell up. I wonder if he'd be better in a sideline role?
@cyclops as I have always said, when I hear Marshall on RS or he used to do pieces in one of our click bait media outlets, his comments and analysis are insightful and well thought out, but put him in front of a TV mike and Boomfa, whatever comes into his head blurts out (yes still some good shit, but usually hidden behind me oh my yes boi)
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@cyclops as I have always said, when I hear Marshall on RS or he used to do pieces in one of our click bait media outlets, his comments and analysis are insightful and well thought out, but put him in front of a TV mike and Boomfa, whatever comes into his head blurts out (yes still some good shit, but usually hidden behind me oh my yes boi)
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@cyclops as I have always said, when I hear Marshall on RS or he used to do pieces in one of our click bait media outlets, his comments and analysis are insightful and well thought out, but put him in front of a TV mike and Boomfa, whatever comes into his head blurts out (yes still some good shit, but usually hidden behind me oh my yes boi)
It's really the the rules/laws stuff he needs to take a deep breath before opening his mouth.
The boomfa stuff is harmless. It grown organically I'd say to being self-ridiculing irony (i think, not sure I know irony .....)
He's not a waah baby cheerleader but strays to far in his impartiality sometimes (TBH, probably also covered by point1 - usually this is also him commenting incorrectly on laws that benefit an NZ play)
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.
@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.
Strictly speaking Power = Force x velocity
ie Power = Work / Time
Work = Force x Distance
P = (F x D) / T
P = F x (D / T)
P = F x velocity.
So velocity is cubed.
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@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.
Strictly speaking Power = Force x velocity
ie Power = Work / Time
Work = Force x Distance
P = (F x D) / T
P = F x (D / T)
P = F x velocity.
So velocity is cubed.
@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.
Strictly speaking Power = Force x velocity
ie Power = Work / Time
Work = Force x Distance
P = (F x D) / T
P = F x (D / T)
P = F x velocity.
So velocity is cubed.
I was thinking more of the energy expenditure needed by the tackler to stop someone in their tracks. This would be the same amount of energy as the kinetic energy of the tackled player. In Franks case, due to his low velocity, this is not as much as a lighter but faster player.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
@rapido did you miss the bit where he was praising the excellent French scrum? The scrum that had been excellent all series? The scrum that predictably disintegrated immediately after he praised it.
I don't usually think he's too bad, but he was shocking on Saturday. There were a couple of other completely wrong calls and one was on a really simple law, can't remember it now.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido did you miss the bit where he was praising the excellent French scrum? The scrum that had been excellent all series? The scrum that predictably disintegrated immediately after he praised it.
Yes, I do remember that. I was thinking hmmm that's generous. but to be fair, French scrum was excellent in the second test.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido did you miss the bit where he was praising the excellent French scrum? The scrum that had been excellent all series? The scrum that predictably disintegrated immediately after he praised it.
Yes, I do remember that. I was thinking hmmm that's generous. but to be fair, French scrum was excellent in the second test.
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Listening to RS on the way home tonight and they posed the question what was your takeaways from this series...
Gorans response was Officiating.
Which made me think about my view on that.
For me, test 1 was marred due to the YC that wasnt, the penalty that probably shoulda been a YC (to either Cane or OFa)
Test 2 marred by the RC that was cancelled, then the 3rd was the referee obstruction that wasnt.Outside of those, I actually thought the refereeing (not TMOing, aside form the assistance in the RC) in all 3 games was actually pretty good, and think that unfortunately those incidents above have overshadowed what was a pretty good showing.
Obviously the other issue tied to the above, is the actual rules themselves, but that isnt the refs fault.
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Where did Ioane play when SBW went off ? In some phases, it looked as if he was playing centre, in others, right wing. In the first case, the AB backline would have been : J. Barrett, Smith, Ioane, Goodhue, Naholo, in the second : Smith, Ioane, Goodhue, Barrett, Naholo.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.
Strictly speaking Power = Force x velocity
ie Power = Work / Time
Work = Force x Distance
P = (F x D) / T
P = F x (D / T)
P = F x velocity.
So velocity is cubed.
I was thinking more of the energy expenditure needed by the tackler to stop someone in their tracks. This would be the same amount of energy as the kinetic energy of the tackled player. In Franks case, due to his low velocity, this is not as much as a lighter but faster player.
@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.
Strictly speaking Power = Force x velocity
ie Power = Work / Time
Work = Force x Distance
P = (F x D) / T
P = F x (D / T)
P = F x velocity.
So velocity is cubed.
I was thinking more of the energy expenditure needed by the tackler to stop someone in their tracks. This would be the same amount of energy as the kinetic energy of the tackled player. In Franks case, due to his low velocity, this is not as much as a lighter but faster player.
Put more simply I think he's probably too fucked from scrummaging to get a head of steam up.
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Where did Ioane play when SBW went off ? In some phases, it looked as if he was playing centre, in others, right wing. In the first case, the AB backline would have been : J. Barrett, Smith, Ioane, Goodhue, Naholo, in the second : Smith, Ioane, Goodhue, Barrett, Naholo.
Any opinion on this ?
