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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
So....just me that's worried what tech the TMOs are being given to watch replays on?
Barnes calls the Rees-Zammit try attempt as grounded against the base of the corner flag, when it appears clear it's grounded on the dead ball line past the flag. I also thought it was clear that France held up the Welsh player for the other call too.
I think with the second one you're referring to, the on field call was try, so they needed conclusive proof that it never touched the ground.
To me it wasn't clear - I couldn't see a grounding, but couldn't be sure it wasn't grounded. So TMO has to stick with on field call either way.
Then again, my tech is pretty low quality and is sometimes prone to a severe welsh bias, so your may be better
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@gibbonrib yeah, however isn't never seeing it grounded, a reason for no try? France hand under it.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib yeah, however isn't never seeing it grounded, a reason for no try? France hand under it.
Ref called try. TMOhad to see that it clearly wasn’t not probably wasn’t.
Opposite to the one where the ref choked on a probable try and the TMO couldn’t see clear evidence due to legs in the way.
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib yeah, however isn't never seeing it grounded, a reason for no try? France hand under it.
Ref called try. TMOhad to see that it clearly wasn’t not probably wasn’t.
Opposite to the one where the ref choked on a probable try and the TMO couldn’t see clear evidence due to legs in the way.
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@crucial again, I thought it was clear. Clearly never saw it on the ground. France held it up.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial again, I thought it was clear. Clearly never saw it on the ground. France held it up.
You seem to misunderstand. Clearly not seeing something is not clearly seeing something.
The TMO has to clearly see that the ball never grazed the grass because the ref called a try.
If the ref calls no try the TMO has to clearly see the ball graze the grass.
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial again, I thought it was clear. Clearly never saw it on the ground. France held it up.
You seem to misunderstand. Clearly not seeing something is not clearly seeing something.
The TMO has to clearly see that the ball never grazed the grass because the ref called a try.
If the ref calls no try the TMO has to clearly see the ball graze the grass.
You would have had two different decisions depending on what the ref initially called -
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
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@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
@machpants you make it sound so easy.
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
@junior it does need to be clear cut rather than an interpretation if players are to have a n excuse to the coach for pulling away from a tackle. We often see players driving low and head first at the line to score and tacklers making direct head contact yet that gets ignored unless there is injury or the try isn’t scored.
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@machpants you make it sound so easy.
@crazy-horse said in NH International Rugby:
@machpants you make it sound so easy.
It is easy, for the ref to pull the card! It's the laws now so the players just have to learn to deal with it. Or not and get carded
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@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
taking it to your extreme, remember you can't tackle a player in the air. So, what about between strides - if you get your timing wrong, you hit someone wihtout feet on the ground ... and that's on you right?
The tackle laws are a bit of a lottery. It's annoying seeing players making a fair bit of an effort, and still copping reds. Aki today, Ofa last year. It's damn annoying. If the objective is safety, there needs to be some onus on the carrying player to either stay high, or not lead with the head
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Aaaargh! A truly awful performance from England. No imagination, no discipline and no real intent to play rugby. A very dispiriting display. Hats of to Ireland though for a great performance. Tough on Aki for the red, just made it more embarrassing for us though.
Wales v France was a cracking game with both teams looking to play. Incredible finish by the French to nick it at the end. Wales best performance of the tournament I felt.
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Watched the last 20 back
Pivac got some of his substitutions and timing of the substitutions wrong this week, which ultimately cost us the match.
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
taking it to your extreme, remember you can't tackle a player in the air. So, what about between strides - if you get your timing wrong, you hit someone wihtout feet on the ground ... and that's on you right?
The tackle laws are a bit of a lottery. It's annoying seeing players making a fair bit of an effort, and still copping reds. Aki today, Ofa last year. It's damn annoying. If the objective is safety, there needs to be some onus on the carrying player to either stay high, or not lead with the head
@nzzp said in NH International Rugby:
Ofa last year.
Where he dipped a tiny bit but was still pretty much standing up? Do you not see the problem here? That's pretty much zero effort and an awful example to throw up.
Now imagine Ofa had bent at the hips (he's a prop right), aimed that a foot lower, he would have obliterated the guy - legally.
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So given that the 6 nations is now over*, who's in your Lions XV (or XXIII, if you prefer)?
*ok, there's one postponed match left, but that doesn't involve teams who contribute players to the Lions
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
So given that the 6 nations is now over*, who's in your Lions XV (or XXIII, if you prefer)?
*ok, there's one postponed match left, but that doesn't involve teams who contribute players to the Lions
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3619/2021-british-irish-lions-tour-to-sa/139
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Watched the last 20 back
Pivac got some of his substitutions and timing of the substitutions wrong this week, which ultimately cost us the match.
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
Watched the last 20 back
Pivac got some of his substitutions and timing of the substitutions wrong this week, which ultimately cost us the match.
Yeah agree. I've grown accustomed to Wales being very good at managing the last quarter - fitness, belief, discipline, smart substitutions - which should have been enough to see us home yesterday. Two critical penalties conceded by players who should have fresh legs and fresh heads (Hill and Haloholo)
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@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
So given that the 6 nations is now over*, who's in your Lions XV (or XXIII, if you prefer)?
*ok, there's one postponed match left, but that doesn't involve teams who contribute players to the Lions
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3619/2021-british-irish-lions-tour-to-sa/139
@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
So given that the 6 nations is now over*, who's in your Lions XV (or XXIII, if you prefer)?
*ok, there's one postponed match left, but that doesn't involve teams who contribute players to the Lions
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3619/2021-british-irish-lions-tour-to-sa/139
Ah, thanks. Although if they relocate it to UK&I then the tour will technically be northern hemisphere rugby...
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Fabien Galthue:
"I don't think he deserves a heavy sanction. There is clearly no contact, or if there is it's very limited. It's absolutely not voluntary. If you really watch the reaction of the Welsh players, they specialise in making the opponents get red cards. Their body language is quite clear. I hope the referee takes that into consideration."
So the villain here is not Willemse, or even the ref or the TMO, it's Wynne Jones for interfering with Willemse's thumb with his eyeball.
What an absolute tool.
