All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson
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Franks tired after too much ball running.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Franks tired after too much ball running.
I'm sure when Owen sees the tryline close he takes a voluntary tackle.
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@machpants Japan is the only game that I can see him getting a rest in. Can't play Barrett and Patty T together against a Tier 1 team imo, our lineout will really suffer.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@machpants Japan is the only game that I can see him getting a rest in. Can't play Barrett and Patty T together against a Tier 1 team imo, our lineout will really suffer.
And our scrum with Pat T.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
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@rancid-schnitzel NMS also tore it up in NPC.
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel NMS also tore it up in NPC.
In 2018?
He tore it up at Super and international level in 2015 as well.
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Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel NMS also tore it up in NPC.
In 2018?
He tore it up at Super and international level in 2015 as well.
@rancid-schnitzel yep so more recently than Jordie
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Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
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Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
Not only that, but TJP farked up the tackle. Got turned inside out, and just didn't recover. Disappointing from a usually good defender.
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@bones I wondered that to bones and wondered if perhaps Frizell didn't let him know he was there? Only thing I could think of.
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@dan54 yeah possibly but he's last on the chain, plenty of time to scan.
I can forgive TJP, that was a magical run by Moyano.
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can forgive TJP, that was a magical run by Moyano.
Their back three played really well. The 15 try in the second half off a pop pass was a thing of beauty - just magnificent to watch, and bloody impossible to defend.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
Not only that, but TJP farked up the tackle. Got turned inside out, and just didn't recover. Disappointing from a usually good defender.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I can forgive TJP, that was a magical run by Moyano.
Their back three played really well. The 15 try in the second half off a pop pass was a thing of beauty - just magnificent to watch, and bloody impossible to defend.
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@nzzp haven't watched it again but that would usually be what your blindside winger is tracking to tidy up...
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@nzzp haven't watched it again but that would usually be what your blindside winger is tracking to tidy up...
Yep - but he hung off, didn't seem to be able to effect the tackle, and wound up over the line with the Argie. I was frustrated. May have had a beer, but was frustrated
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Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
Yep. If his speed is gone then he better do everything else farking perfectly. That was shocking.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
Ever seen him in real life? The guy is a farking nugget. He isn't tall but he's just as wide, with an absolute ridiculous set of thighs. Tackling that for an entire game would be hell. I'd rather take a lock. Him being able to brutalise defences for 80 minutes is a massive advantage. I wasn't sold on him at 12 for the ABs, but after the Aus game I'm more than happy to have him there.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
Ever seen him in real life? The guy is a farking nugget. He isn't tall but he's just as wide, with an absolute ridiculous set of thighs. Tackling that for an entire game would be hell. I'd rather take a lock. Him being able to brutalise defences for 80 minutes is a massive advantage. I wasn't sold on him at 12 for the ABs, but after the Aus game I'm more than happy to have him there.
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
Ever seen him in real life? The guy is a farking nugget. He isn't tall but he's just as wide, with an absolute ridiculous set of thighs. Tackling that for an entire game would be hell. I'd rather take a lock. Him being able to brutalise defences for 80 minutes is a massive advantage. I wasn't sold on him at 12 for the ABs, but after the Aus game I'm more than happy to have him there.
I think he and ALB could be horses for courses. Laumape can cause havoc if the opposition lack size in their midfield, but ALB might be a better option if they're playing a couple of big boppers. Both offer a lot either starting or off the bench.
