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AB EOYT 2018

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  • StargazerS Stargazer

    @nepia I assume he can also play for Samoa?

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    @stargazer said in AB EOYT 2018:

    @nepia I assume he can also play for Samoa?

    He's played 7s for NZ so assume he's ruled out unless he the 7s changeover route still exists? Japan also.

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    • NepiaN Nepia

      @stargazer said in AB EOYT 2018:

      @nepia I assume he can also play for Samoa?

      He's played 7s for NZ so assume he's ruled out unless he the 7s changeover route still exists? Japan also.

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      @nepia Yep, he'd have to play sevens via that Olympic loophole. At least 5 of the 10 tournaments of the 2018-2019 Series, I believe, if he wants to play for Samoa. Not going to happen. I assume Japan, as the host of the Olympics, is automatically qualified, so I'm not sure how the loophole works in that case.

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        FFS Akira is only 23. When did Kaino become a regular starter?

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        • TimT Tim

          Fuck, I must be blind.

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          @tim said in AB EOYT 2018:

          Fuck, I must be blind.

          Think he may have made the main squad...

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            Well if it's true he's a dickhead, no amount of coaching will fix that.

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              @nepia said in AB EOYT 2018:

              So what now for Akira? League? NH/Japanese rugby? Maybe he's just happy to keep winning Blues player of the season awards?

              I can see why NZR were in such a hurry to sign Reiko though ... don't want the little bro pissed off after the naming of this team of everyone in NZ (and some in Japan) except Akira.

              I’m not sure, but chin up son, as the 52nd player I’m certain there are plenty of options out there for you.

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              • antipodeanA antipodean

                Well if it's true he's a dickhead, no amount of coaching will fix that.

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                @antipodean said in AB EOYT 2018:

                Well if it's true he's a dickhead, no amount of coaching will fix that.

                Dickheads generally aren’t popular in the teams they play for. Akira gets the players awards.

                This is why it sucks that the coaches aren’t being clearer about why they aren’t selecting him, it opens the doors to people just making shit up.

                He and his brother top the defensive and attacking stats for Blues, and have done for a couple of years. If he has thinks to work on they should back themselves as coaches to fix them. In other words, treat him like they are with several other players in the squad.

                All them with less shown upside than this player.

                Says it all that Foster didn’t want Rieko either. Remember he only got in because of injury and Hanson overruling Foster about Naholo playing 11.

                They get stuck in their ways, and certainly play favourites.

                To put a 90s spin on it, they are favouring Arron Pene over ZinZan Brooke.

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                  I think the selectors ARE being clear on Akira. Just because you don't believe them doesn't they aren't explaining clearly.

                  IF he was to be in the main squad he would be there as training field fodder and a green backup 8. Hardly likely to get gametime as Read plays out the game if not injured.
                  IF he was to be in the extras going to Japan then again, I think the plan is to use Luke W at 8 for experience and leadership. He may get a bench run.
                  IF he goes with the Maori AB he will be a starter and important part of the pack.

                  Pretty simple decision if the idea is to give him playing opportunities.

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                    Fatialofa, Seu, Luatua, Akira, Sopoaga, Nanai, Faiane, Aso, Lam, Alaimalo..
                    Looks like a solid Samoan 7s team for the qualifiers..

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                    • KirwanK Kirwan

                      @antipodean said in AB EOYT 2018:

                      Well if it's true he's a dickhead, no amount of coaching will fix that.

                      Dickheads generally aren’t popular in the teams they play for. Akira gets the players awards.

                      This is why it sucks that the coaches aren’t being clearer about why they aren’t selecting him, it opens the doors to people just making shit up.

                      He and his brother top the defensive and attacking stats for Blues, and have done for a couple of years. If he has thinks to work on they should back themselves as coaches to fix them. In other words, treat him like they are with several other players in the squad.

                      All them with less shown upside than this player.

                      Says it all that Foster didn’t want Rieko either. Remember he only got in because of injury and Hanson overruling Foster about Naholo playing 11.

                      They get stuck in their ways, and certainly play favourites.

                      To put a 90s spin on it, they are favouring Arron Pene over ZinZan Brooke.

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                      @kirwan we've got a pretty good conversion rate when launching "inexperienced" players onto the scene in world cups, after we've taken them away to hone their skills. Kirwan, NMS, Donald.

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                      • S Samurai Jack

                        FFS Akira is only 23. When did Kaino become a regular starter?

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                        @samurai-jack it was winter tests when he was 25. He experienced the disappointment of missing the 2005 Lions tour, 3Ns and EOYT of 2006, and the 2007 RWC despite having obvious talent at the tender age of 21-22.

                        There were more than a few posters surprised that other loosies were selected ahead of him back then. I even recall Holah playing on the blindside during that time...

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                        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                          @samurai-jack it was winter tests when he was 25. He experienced the disappointment of missing the 2005 Lions tour, 3Ns and EOYT of 2006, and the 2007 RWC despite having obvious talent at the tender age of 21-22.

                          There were more than a few posters surprised that other loosies were selected ahead of him back then. I even recall Holah playing on the blindside during that time...

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                          @act-crusader said in AB EOYT 2018:

                          @samurai-jack it was winter tests when he was 25. He experienced the disappointment of missing the 2005 Lions tour, 3Ns and EOYT of 2006, and the 2007 RWC despite having obvious talent at the tender age of 21-22.

                          There were more than a few posters surprised that other loosies were selected ahead of him back then. I even recall Holah playing on the blindside during that time...

                          JC and Rodders didn't hit their straps until they were about 25 (IIRC Rodders debuted at 23, then dropped out for 18 months to a year before forcing his way back). If Akira is patient he will get his chance

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                          • canefanC canefan

                            @act-crusader said in AB EOYT 2018:

                            @samurai-jack it was winter tests when he was 25. He experienced the disappointment of missing the 2005 Lions tour, 3Ns and EOYT of 2006, and the 2007 RWC despite having obvious talent at the tender age of 21-22.

                            There were more than a few posters surprised that other loosies were selected ahead of him back then. I even recall Holah playing on the blindside during that time...

                            JC and Rodders didn't hit their straps until they were about 25 (IIRC Rodders debuted at 23, then dropped out for 18 months to a year before forcing his way back). If Akira is patient he will get his chance

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                            @canefan said in AB EOYT 2018:

                            @act-crusader said in AB EOYT 2018:

                            @samurai-jack it was winter tests when he was 25. He experienced the disappointment of missing the 2005 Lions tour, 3Ns and EOYT of 2006, and the 2007 RWC despite having obvious talent at the tender age of 21-22.

                            There were more than a few posters surprised that other loosies were selected ahead of him back then. I even recall Holah playing on the blindside during that time...

                            JC and Rodders didn't hit their straps until they were about 25 (IIRC Rodders debuted at 23, then dropped out for 18 months to a year before forcing his way back). If Akira is patient he will get his chance

                            Yeah Rodders was one of my favourite players and when he hit the scene at provincial level and playing 7s I thought he was going to be an AB straight away. He debuted at 23 but then was really only a squaddie for the 2003 RWC. It wasn’t until 2005 (at 25yo) that he really solidified his spot and the rest is history.

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                            • KirwanK Kirwan

                              @antipodean said in AB EOYT 2018:

                              Well if it's true he's a dickhead, no amount of coaching will fix that.

                              Dickheads generally aren’t popular in the teams they play for. Akira gets the players awards.

                              This is why it sucks that the coaches aren’t being clearer about why they aren’t selecting him, it opens the doors to people just making shit up.

                              He and his brother top the defensive and attacking stats for Blues, and have done for a couple of years. If he has thinks to work on they should back themselves as coaches to fix them. In other words, treat him like they are with several other players in the squad.

                              All them with less shown upside than this player.

                              Says it all that Foster didn’t want Rieko either. Remember he only got in because of injury and Hanson overruling Foster about Naholo playing 11.

                              They get stuck in their ways, and certainly play favourites.

                              To put a 90s spin on it, they are favouring Arron Pene over ZinZan Brooke.

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                              @kirwan Reiko was pretty raw at the time with some holes in his game, particularly defensively. But I think it has worked out for him. Sometimes an injury is the opening that reveals a gem. Not the first time that has happened. Reiko has been a revelation because he is still improving, which is what you want from a young player.

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                              • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                @kirwan Reiko was pretty raw at the time with some holes in his game, particularly defensively. But I think it has worked out for him. Sometimes an injury is the opening that reveals a gem. Not the first time that has happened. Reiko has been a revelation because he is still improving, which is what you want from a young player.

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                                @act-crusader said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                @kirwan Reiko was pretty raw at the time with some holes in his game, particularly defensively. But I think it has worked out for him. Sometimes an injury is the opening that reveals a gem. Not the first time that has happened. Reiko has been a revelation because he is still improving, which is what you want from a young player.

                                It is easier to break through as a winger too. He has the pace, and the space to play his natural game

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                                  Victor Meldrew
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                                  So no room for Charlie Ngatai then... 🎣

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                                    Tickets to Rome game purchased and accommodation booked.
                                    Just need to get there now.

                                    For anyone interested, this is the official sales site https://www.listicket.com/ticketing/acquisto/acquistoStep1/42229/ITALIA-VS-ALL-BLACKS-Cattolica-Test-Match-2018
                                    (at least I hope it is. It was the one linked through the Italy Rugby website)

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                                    • boobooB booboo

                                      Thanks @number-10
                                      @Derm-McCrum so @Crucial is right. Very similar.

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                                      @booboo said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                      Thanks @number-10
                                      @Derm-McCrum so @Crucial is right. Very similar.

                                      Errr
                                      Wayne Barnes as Ref
                                      NZ P16 W 10 L5 - 69% wins
                                      IRL P15 W5 L10 - 33% wins

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                                        @booboo said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                        Thanks @number-10
                                        @Derm-McCrum so @Crucial is right. Very similar.

                                        Errr
                                        Wayne Barnes as Ref
                                        NZ P16 W 10 L5 - 69% wins
                                        IRL P15 W5 L10 - 33% wins

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                                        @derm-mccrum said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                        @booboo said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                        Thanks @number-10
                                        @Derm-McCrum so @Crucial is right. Very similar.

                                        Errr
                                        Wayne Barnes as Ref
                                        NZ P16 W 10 L5 - 69% wins
                                        IRL P15 W5 L10 - 33% wins

                                        Since Barnes started reffing tests the ABs have a losing rate of 16%. Ireland have a losing rate of 33%.
                                        So he has almost doubled our losing rate and has doubled yours.
                                        Pretty similar 😉

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                                        • CrucialC Crucial

                                          @derm-mccrum said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                          @booboo said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                          Thanks @number-10
                                          @Derm-McCrum so @Crucial is right. Very similar.

                                          Errr
                                          Wayne Barnes as Ref
                                          NZ P16 W 10 L5 - 69% wins
                                          IRL P15 W5 L10 - 33% wins

                                          Since Barnes started reffing tests the ABs have a losing rate of 16%. Ireland have a losing rate of 33%.
                                          So he has almost doubled our losing rate and has doubled yours.
                                          Pretty similar 😉

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                                          Derm McCrum
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                                          @crucial said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                          @derm-mccrum said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                          @booboo said in AB EOYT 2018:

                                          Thanks @number-10
                                          @Derm-McCrum so @Crucial is right. Very similar.

                                          Errr
                                          Wayne Barnes as Ref
                                          NZ P16 W 10 L5 - 69% wins
                                          IRL P15 W5 L10 - 33% wins

                                          Since Barnes started reffing tests the ABs have a losing rate of 16%. Ireland have a losing rate of 33%.
                                          So he has almost doubled our losing rate and has doubled yours.
                                          Pretty similar 😉

                                          Errr I’d love to think that’s the case, but eh, erm, how shall I put it....

                                          No!

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