Japan vs All Blacks
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@mn5 said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Justin Marshall compared Thorne to a bass player in a band. As a former bass player in a band I'm not sure if this is a compliment or insult.
Depends if you're Paul McCartney or Derek Smalls, I suppose.
@victor-meldrew said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Justin Marshall compared Thorne to a bass player in a band. As a former bass player in a band I'm not sure if this is a compliment or insult.
Depends if you're Paul McCartney or Derek Spalls, I suppose.
I think Cliff Burton/Jason Newstead is more apt considering they were in the same band.
One ripped out solos and died young, the other couldn't even be heard on one album ( all Lars fault )
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@mimic said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in Japan vs All Blacks:
There are a few dodgy sections though. I can't think of a more mediocre player to have been All Black captain than Luke Whitelock. Tough seeing such a journeyman as All Black skipper.
Blackadder? Thorne?
Those two led their teams to Super Rugby glory numerous times though. Thorne also got selected by 4 different AB coaches.
@mn5 said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Thorne also got selected by 4 different AB coaches.
That's an awfully charitable way of saying Wayne Smith, Graham Henry and John Hart thought he was a fringe All Black at best while John Mitchell thought he was All Black captain material*.
Lost three World Cups too.
edit: And I will put my hand up and say I forgot Ted gave Thorne a test against Canada in '07 as captain, but still he was virtually replaceable for Ted's tenure.
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@mn5 said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Thorne also got selected by 4 different AB coaches.
That's an awfully charitable way of saying Wayne Smith, Graham Henry and John Hart thought he was a fringe All Black at best while John Mitchell thought he was All Black captain material*.
Lost three World Cups too.
edit: And I will put my hand up and say I forgot Ted gave Thorne a test against Canada in '07 as captain, but still he was virtually replaceable for Ted's tenure.
@rotated said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Thorne also got selected by 4 different AB coaches.
That's an awfully charitable way of saying Wayne Smith, Graham Henry and John Hart thought he was a fringe All Black at best while John Mitchell thought he was All Black captain material*.
Lost three World Cups too.
edit: And I will put my hand up and say I forgot Ted gave Thorne a test against Canada in '07 as captain, but still he was virtually replaceable for Ted's tenure.
It's more a dig at Luke Whitelock than a gauge on Thorne to be fair.
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@sparky said in Japan vs All Blacks:
There are a few dodgy sections though. I can't think of a more mediocre player to have been All Black captain than Luke Whitelock. Tough seeing such a journeyman as All Black skipper.
Blackadder? Thorne?
@mimic said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in Japan vs All Blacks:
There are a few dodgy sections though. I can't think of a more mediocre player to have been All Black captain than Luke Whitelock. Tough seeing such a journeyman as All Black skipper.
Blackadder? Thorne?
Maybe not even the worst AB captain vs Japan.
I didn't watch enough of his (brief) AB career to properly gauge his talent but how Paul Henderson skippered the 95 World Cup massacre with Zinny and others in the side. Perhaps Super League/WRC rumours at the time?
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@mimic said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in Japan vs All Blacks:
There are a few dodgy sections though. I can't think of a more mediocre player to have been All Black captain than Luke Whitelock. Tough seeing such a journeyman as All Black skipper.
Blackadder? Thorne?
Maybe not even the worst AB captain vs Japan.
I didn't watch enough of his (brief) AB career to properly gauge his talent but how Paul Henderson skippered the 95 World Cup massacre with Zinny and others in the side. Perhaps Super League/WRC rumours at the time?
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@rotated Henderson was class. He kept Duane Monkley out of the ABs.
TBF, Zinny could have been given the captaincy then and should have been given in 1997 when Marshall was given it.
@nepia said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@rotated Henderson was class. He kept Duane Monkley out of the ABs.
TBF, Zinny could have been given the captaincy then and should have been given in 1997 when Marshall was given it.
Ginge was an excellent AB.
I'm not bothering to look it up I doubt zinny played v Japan in 95? He was carrying an injury that tournament. Or was that his first game back after missing the 2 openers.
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@nepia said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@rotated Henderson was class. He kept Duane Monkley out of the ABs.
TBF, Zinny could have been given the captaincy then and should have been given in 1997 when Marshall was given it.
Ginge was an excellent AB.
I'm not bothering to look it up I doubt zinny played v Japan in 95? He was carrying an injury that tournament. Or was that his first game back after missing the 2 openers.
@rapido said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@nepia said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@rotated Henderson was class. He kept Duane Monkley out of the ABs.
TBF, Zinny could have been given the captaincy then and should have been given in 1997 when Marshall was given it.
Ginge was an excellent AB.
I'm not bothering to look it up I doubt zinny played v Japan in 95? He was carrying an injury that tournament. Or was that his first game back after missing the 2 openers.
He played that match, him and Robin, as they were both getting playing as much as possible after overcoming their injuries.
Still annoyed with Mains and God that MJ wasn't there. Arseholes.
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Pot and kettle? How many times do NH teams send understrength teams down here, particularly for the 1st game, that I know is a scheduling issue, but looking at our schedule, this is the right way to do it.
If we had Aus. Japan, England, Ireland in a RWC, the Japanese test would see a much more inexperienced side trotted out, admittedly with a smaller squad size.
I'll admit to not knowing F.A about the Japanese side and it's strength (as in is it full strength) but ultimately, even this AB side should be able to account for any side the Japanese can send out, if they cant, then that will be rather embarrassing, but I think it will be ABs >20
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Pot and kettle? How many times do NH teams send understrength teams down here, particularly for the 1st game, that I know is a scheduling issue, but looking at our schedule, this is the right way to do it.
If we had Aus. Japan, England, Ireland in a RWC, the Japanese test would see a much more inexperienced side trotted out, admittedly with a smaller squad size.
I'll admit to not knowing F.A about the Japanese side and it's strength (as in is it full strength) but ultimately, even this AB side should be able to account for any side the Japanese can send out, if they cant, then that will be rather embarrassing, but I think it will be ABs >20
@taniwharugby said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Pot and kettle? How many times do NH teams send understrength teams down here, particularly for the 1st game, that I know is a scheduling issue, but looking at our schedule, this is the right way to do it.
They did exactly the same thing last year. Scheduled a two test tour to Argentina while the Lions were in NZ FFS. 17 debutantes including Pommy Piers.
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@taniwharugby said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Pot and kettle? How many times do NH teams send understrength teams down here, particularly for the 1st game, that I know is a scheduling issue, but looking at our schedule, this is the right way to do it.
They did exactly the same thing last year. Scheduled a two test tour to Argentina while the Lions were in NZ FFS. 17 debutantes including Pommy Piers.
@rotated said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Pot and kettle? How many times do NH teams send understrength teams down here, particularly for the 1st game, that I know is a scheduling issue, but looking at our schedule, this is the right way to do it.
They did exactly the same thing last year. Scheduled a two test tour to Argentina while the Lions were in NZ FFS. 17 debutantes including Pommy Piers.
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@taniwharugby said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Pot and kettle? How many times do NH teams send understrength teams down here, particularly for the 1st game, that I know is a scheduling issue, but looking at our schedule, this is the right way to do it.
They did exactly the same thing last year. Scheduled a two test tour to Argentina while the Lions were in NZ FFS. 17 debutantes including Pommy Piers.
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@rotated totally different situation, cos, well, cos it just is.
@taniwharugby said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@rotated totally different situation, cos, well, cos it just is.
It's cause we're black and they are white. Racists.
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see the always generous TAB has suspended bets on H2H for the ABs, with Japan at $18
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@rapido said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@nepia said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@rotated Henderson was class. He kept Duane Monkley out of the ABs.
TBF, Zinny could have been given the captaincy then and should have been given in 1997 when Marshall was given it.
Ginge was an excellent AB.
I'm not bothering to look it up I doubt zinny played v Japan in 95? He was carrying an injury that tournament. Or was that his first game back after missing the 2 openers.
He played that match, him and Robin, as they were both getting playing as much as possible after overcoming their injuries.
Still annoyed with Mains and God that MJ wasn't there. Arseholes.
@nepia said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@rapido said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@nepia said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@rotated Henderson was class. He kept Duane Monkley out of the ABs.
TBF, Zinny could have been given the captaincy then and should have been given in 1997 when Marshall was given it.
Ginge was an excellent AB.
I'm not bothering to look it up I doubt zinny played v Japan in 95? He was carrying an injury that tournament. Or was that his first game back after missing the 2 openers.
He played that match, him and Robin, as they were both getting playing as much as possible after overcoming their injuries.
Still annoyed with Mains and God that MJ wasn't there. Arseholes.
With the amount games on a Sundee what would have been the point of bringing him ?
I'm basing this on lots of hungover moments reading articles at Georgie Pie on predicted 95 WC squads.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Hansen on Luke Whitelock:
"He's a Whitelock, so they naturally are leaders."
"Only one of them deserves to have been an All Black as a player - but we need leaders. That Ted bloke, he was on to something there."
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Hansen on Luke Whitelock:
"He's a Whitelock, so they naturally are leaders."
honestly, that's up there with 'the Marsh boys have good lineage'
@nzzp said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@rocky-rockbottom said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Hansen on Luke Whitelock:
"He's a Whitelock, so they naturally are leaders."
honestly, that's up there with 'the Marsh boys have good lineage'
The only trait the Whitelocks share is looking a shitload older than their actual age.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Akira responds:
"Barack Obama had leadership abilities too but you didn't see him getting handed the All Blacks captaincy. Checkmate."
I don't think you've done a post on any other topic than Akira since the squad selection and you've done a lot of posts. I've don't recall seeing someone on TSF have such an obsessive whinge fest since davidav showed his love for Toeava.
