2019 under 20's
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Super Rugby squad selectors are different to/indepoendent of NZ Under 20s selectors so obviously there must a difference of opinion over the relative ranking of players in this instance. Has Billy Proctor actually had any on field Super Rugby experience rather than simply full time training in a professional rugby environment? He seems to spend an awful lot more time playing club rugby than most others with full super rugby contracts.
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Super Rugby squad selectors are different to/indepoendent of NZ Under 20s selectors so obviously there must a difference of opinion over the relative ranking of players in this instance. Has Billy Proctor actually had any on field Super Rugby experience rather than simply full time training in a professional rugby environment? He seems to spend an awful lot more time playing club rugby than most others with full super rugby contracts.
@Higgins said in 2019 under 20's:
Super Rugby squad selectors are different to/indepoendent of NZ Under 20s selectors so obviously there must a difference of opinion over the relative ranking of players
From what I saw in the warm up games against Fiji and Australia, Billy Proctor makes this squad in his sleep. Maybe it's a case of not playing the best players against the weaker teams.
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@Canes4life said in 2019 under 20's:
@Yeetyaah One or two games for Canes and he played for the 20s last year which would make him one of the more experienced in the squad. Surely you go with experience when you have very little across the squad.
I hope I'm right in the fact he's coming back to the Canes for injury cover after what looks like a season ending injury to his bro.
The FoxSports website detailing player's super rugby experience has Billy Proctor listed as having played one super rugby match clocking up a total of one minute of experience. You will see him listed as player number 564 on page 29 for conformation (right or wrong?) of this. If this is correct then he has, for all intents and purposes nil super rugby playing experience.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/super-rugby/stats/players?sortBy=tackles&pageNumber=29
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@Canes4life said in 2019 under 20's:
@Yeetyaah One or two games for Canes and he played for the 20s last year which would make him one of the more experienced in the squad. Surely you go with experience when you have very little across the squad.
I hope I'm right in the fact he's coming back to the Canes for injury cover after what looks like a season ending injury to his bro.
The FoxSports website detailing player's super rugby experience has Billy Proctor listed as having played one super rugby match clocking up a total of one minute of experience. You will see him listed as player number 564 on page 29 for conformation (right or wrong?) of this. If this is correct then he has, for all intents and purposes nil super rugby playing experience.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/super-rugby/stats/players?sortBy=tackles&pageNumber=29
@Higgins 13 games of NPC, been in and around Super Rugby and played for the team last year. You say he might not be good enough, but a 5 year Super Rugby contract says he makes the squad all day, every day.
Like I said, I will welcome him back into the Canes if Philpott continues to butcher our World Cup chances, no wonder we got a hiding from Australia.
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I can't find TV coverage anywhere? maybe online?
New Zealand Under-20s v Georgia Under-20s, Club de Rugby Ateneo Inmaculada, Santa Fe, 4am, Wednesday, June 5.
New Zealand Under-20s: 1.Oliver Norris, 2.Kianu Kereru-Symes, 3.Fletcher Newell, 4.Cullen Grace, 5.Taine Plumtree, 6.Samipeni Finau, 7.Kohan Herbert, 8.Devan Flanders, 9.Leroy Carter, 10.Rivez Reihana, 11.Leicester Fainga'anuku, 12.Dallas McLeod, 13.Quinn Tupaea, 14.Etene Nanai-Seturo, 15.Cole Forbes.Substitutes: 16.Shilo Klein, 17.George Dyer, 18.Kaliopasi Uluilakepa, 19.Tamati Williams, 20.Tupou Va'ai, 21.Kaylum Boshier, 22.Jeriah Mua, 23.Simon Parker24. Taufa Funaki 25. Fergus Burke 26. Billy Proctor 27 Scott Gregory 28. Lalomilo Lalomilo
Georgia Under-20s: 1.Nika Gvaladze, 2.Luka Nioradze, 3.Luka Azariashvili, 4.Vakhtang Jincharadze, 5.Luka Gelashvili, 6.Ioseb Gusharashvili, 7.Koba Kolotauri, 8.Beka Koriauli, 9.Mikheil Alania, 10.Tedo Abzhandadze (Cap), 11.Kote Marjanishvili, 12.Givi Tsintsadze, 13.Demur Tapladze, 14.Zura Kavtaradze, 15.Temur Chichinadze
Substitutes: 16.Vano Karkadze, 17.Zaur Tevdorashvili, 18.Gia Kharaishvili, 19.Ioane Iashagashvili, 20.Tariel Gvimradze, 21.Giorgi Margalitadze, 22.Alexandre Margiani, 23.Lasha Lomidze, 24.Irakli Simsive, 25.Otar Lashkhi, 26.Paata Burchuladze, 27.Dachi Papunashvili, 28.Luka Chelidze
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@Higgins 13 games of NPC, been in and around Super Rugby and played for the team last year. You say he might not be good enough, but a 5 year Super Rugby contract says he makes the squad all day, every day.
Like I said, I will welcome him back into the Canes if Philpott continues to butcher our World Cup chances, no wonder we got a hiding from Australia.
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@Canes4life said in 2019 under 20's:
@Yeetyaah One or two games for Canes and he played for the 20s last year which would make him one of the more experienced in the squad. Surely you go with experience when you have very little across the squad.
I hope I'm right in the fact he's coming back to the Canes for injury cover after what looks like a season ending injury to his bro.
The FoxSports website detailing player's super rugby experience has Billy Proctor listed as having played one super rugby match clocking up a total of one minute of experience. You will see him listed as player number 564 on page 29 for conformation (right or wrong?) of this. If this is correct then he has, for all intents and purposes nil super rugby playing experience.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/super-rugby/stats/players?sortBy=tackles&pageNumber=29
@Higgins said in 2019 under 20's:
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@Canes4life said in 2019 under 20's:
@Yeetyaah One or two games for Canes and he played for the 20s last year which would make him one of the more experienced in the squad. Surely you go with experience when you have very little across the squad.
I hope I'm right in the fact he's coming back to the Canes for injury cover after what looks like a season ending injury to his bro.
The FoxSports website detailing player's super rugby experience has Billy Proctor listed as having played one super rugby match clocking up a total of one minute of experience. You will see him listed as player number 564 on page 29 for conformation (right or wrong?) of this. If this is correct then he has, for all intents and purposes nil super rugby playing experience.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/super-rugby/stats/players?sortBy=tackles&pageNumber=29
Yep, Billy Proctor came on in the 81st minute of the Waratahs v Hurricanes game. He was also named in the reserves for the Sunwolves v Hurricanes game, but never came off the bench.
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@Canes4life A five year contract does not seem to se him "make the squad "all day, every day" for the Hurricanes.
@Higgins The guy is 20 years old, he's in the Hurricanes environment to learn from the likes of his brother before he is ready to make the step up, so no he doesn't make that squad all day. every day.
Under 20s is a different story - he is competing with a bunch of guys his own age (the majority of who have significantly less experience than him). It's odd that you think he isn't good enough to be there. Maybe you've been hanging out with Philpott too much.
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@Higgins The guy is 20 years old, he's in the Hurricanes environment to learn from the likes of his brother before he is ready to make the step up, so no he doesn't make that squad all day. every day.
Under 20s is a different story - he is competing with a bunch of guys his own age (the majority of who have significantly less experience than him). It's odd that you think he isn't good enough to be there. Maybe you've been hanging out with Philpott too much.
@Canes4life Billy Proctor is good enough; he just has to wait his turn. I'm surprised you still don't know how it works in U20s tournaments. Every player gets game time; rotation etc etc. The best players in their position will only get picked ahead of their competitors in the finals.
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Billy Proctor and Quinn Tupaea are probably competing for the same spot in the squad, centre. Tupaea had a far more notable NPC season last year than Billy. About the same number of games, and the same age.
@Stargazer I never mentioned Proctor shouldn't be there instead of Tupaea, I'm saying he should be atleast in that 23, I also said maybe they aren't risking him against the weaker teams in an earlier post, so yes I do know how the Under 20s works.
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Billy Proctor and Quinn Tupaea are probably competing for the same spot in the squad, centre. Tupaea had a far more notable NPC season last year than Billy. About the same number of games, and the same age.
@Stargazer I agree. Tupaea was insane last year. I watched a bunch of games and didn't see the same impact from Proctor if we're comparing the 2. Could also be bias from me as I'm a Waikato supporter as well.
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I can't find TV coverage anywhere? maybe online?
New Zealand Under-20s v Georgia Under-20s, Club de Rugby Ateneo Inmaculada, Santa Fe, 4am, Wednesday, June 5.
New Zealand Under-20s: 1.Oliver Norris, 2.Kianu Kereru-Symes, 3.Fletcher Newell, 4.Cullen Grace, 5.Taine Plumtree, 6.Samipeni Finau, 7.Kohan Herbert, 8.Devan Flanders, 9.Leroy Carter, 10.Rivez Reihana, 11.Leicester Fainga'anuku, 12.Dallas McLeod, 13.Quinn Tupaea, 14.Etene Nanai-Seturo, 15.Cole Forbes.Substitutes: 16.Shilo Klein, 17.George Dyer, 18.Kaliopasi Uluilakepa, 19.Tamati Williams, 20.Tupou Va'ai, 21.Kaylum Boshier, 22.Jeriah Mua, 23.Simon Parker24. Taufa Funaki 25. Fergus Burke 26. Billy Proctor 27 Scott Gregory 28. Lalomilo Lalomilo
Georgia Under-20s: 1.Nika Gvaladze, 2.Luka Nioradze, 3.Luka Azariashvili, 4.Vakhtang Jincharadze, 5.Luka Gelashvili, 6.Ioseb Gusharashvili, 7.Koba Kolotauri, 8.Beka Koriauli, 9.Mikheil Alania, 10.Tedo Abzhandadze (Cap), 11.Kote Marjanishvili, 12.Givi Tsintsadze, 13.Demur Tapladze, 14.Zura Kavtaradze, 15.Temur Chichinadze
Substitutes: 16.Vano Karkadze, 17.Zaur Tevdorashvili, 18.Gia Kharaishvili, 19.Ioane Iashagashvili, 20.Tariel Gvimradze, 21.Giorgi Margalitadze, 22.Alexandre Margiani, 23.Lasha Lomidze, 24.Irakli Simsive, 25.Otar Lashkhi, 26.Paata Burchuladze, 27.Dachi Papunashvili, 28.Luka Chelidze
@Daffy-Jaffy said in 2019 under 20's:
I can't find TV coverage anywhere? maybe online?
New Zealand Under-20s v Georgia Under-20s, Club de Rugby Ateneo Inmaculada, Santa Fe, 4am, Wednesday, June 5.
New Zealand Under-20s: 1.Oliver Norris, 2.Kianu Kereru-Symes, 3.Fletcher Newell, 4.Cullen Grace, 5.Taine Plumtree, 6.Samipeni Finau, 7.Kohan Herbert, 8.Devan Flanders, 9.Leroy Carter, 10.Rivez Reihana, 11.Leicester Fainga'anuku, 12.Dallas McLeod, 13.Quinn Tupaea, 14.Etene Nanai-Seturo, 15.Cole Forbes.Substitutes: 16.Shilo Klein, 17.George Dyer, 18.Kaliopasi Uluilakepa, 19.Tamati Williams, 20.Tupou Va'ai, 21.Kaylum Boshier, 22.Jeriah Mua, 23.Simon Parker
Georgia Under-20s: 1.Nika Gvaladze, 2.Luka Nioradze, 3.Luka Azariashvili, 4.Vakhtang Jincharadze, 5.Luka Gelashvili, 6.Ioseb Gusharashvili, 7.Koba Kolotauri, 8.Beka Koriauli, 9.Mikheil Alania, 10.Tedo Abzhandadze (Cap), 11.Kote Marjanishvili, 12.Givi Tsintsadze, 13.Demur Tapladze, 14.Zura Kavtaradze, 15.Temur Chichinadze
Substitutes: 16.Vano Karkadze, 17.Zaur Tevdorashvili, 18.Gia Kharaishvili, 19.Ioane Iashagashvili, 20.Tariel Gvimradze, 21.Giorgi Margalitadze, 22.Alexandre Margiani, 23.Lasha Lomidze, 24.Irakli Simsive, 25.Otar Lashkhi, 26.Paata Burchuladze, 27.Dachi Papunashvili, 28.Luka Chelidze
@ARHS said in 2019 under 20's:
Is that 8 forwards on the bench and no backs? Do the trial substitution laws apply?
Looking at those squads, the Georgians have a bench of 13 players, in line with the new (trial) rules for U20s. I suspect they have just forgotten to include the players with the jersey numbers 24 to 28 on the NZ bench, because maybe their website person isn't aware of those new rules (assuming the NZ coaches aren't that stupid)? So @Canes4life beloved Billy Proctor may still be on the bench.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in 2019 under 20's:
I can't find TV coverage anywhere? maybe online?
New Zealand Under-20s v Georgia Under-20s, Club de Rugby Ateneo Inmaculada, Santa Fe, 4am, Wednesday, June 5.
New Zealand Under-20s: 1.Oliver Norris, 2.Kianu Kereru-Symes, 3.Fletcher Newell, 4.Cullen Grace, 5.Taine Plumtree, 6.Samipeni Finau, 7.Kohan Herbert, 8.Devan Flanders, 9.Leroy Carter, 10.Rivez Reihana, 11.Leicester Fainga'anuku, 12.Dallas McLeod, 13.Quinn Tupaea, 14.Etene Nanai-Seturo, 15.Cole Forbes.Substitutes: 16.Shilo Klein, 17.George Dyer, 18.Kaliopasi Uluilakepa, 19.Tamati Williams, 20.Tupou Va'ai, 21.Kaylum Boshier, 22.Jeriah Mua, 23.Simon Parker
Georgia Under-20s: 1.Nika Gvaladze, 2.Luka Nioradze, 3.Luka Azariashvili, 4.Vakhtang Jincharadze, 5.Luka Gelashvili, 6.Ioseb Gusharashvili, 7.Koba Kolotauri, 8.Beka Koriauli, 9.Mikheil Alania, 10.Tedo Abzhandadze (Cap), 11.Kote Marjanishvili, 12.Givi Tsintsadze, 13.Demur Tapladze, 14.Zura Kavtaradze, 15.Temur Chichinadze
Substitutes: 16.Vano Karkadze, 17.Zaur Tevdorashvili, 18.Gia Kharaishvili, 19.Ioane Iashagashvili, 20.Tariel Gvimradze, 21.Giorgi Margalitadze, 22.Alexandre Margiani, 23.Lasha Lomidze, 24.Irakli Simsive, 25.Otar Lashkhi, 26.Paata Burchuladze, 27.Dachi Papunashvili, 28.Luka Chelidze
@ARHS said in 2019 under 20's:
Is that 8 forwards on the bench and no backs? Do the trial substitution laws apply?
Looking at those squads, the Georgians have a bench of 13 players, in line with the new (trial) rules for U20s. I suspect they have just forgotten to include the players with the jersey numbers 24 to 28 on the NZ bench, because maybe their website person isn't aware of those new rules (assuming the NZ coaches aren't that stupid)? So @Canes4life beloved Billy Proctor may still be on the bench.
@Stargazer Sweet I can blame the team sheet announcement error for my rant.
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I assume Georgia will pack a decent scrum. is there a chance we could belly up against these guys..?
@Steven-Harris said in 2019 under 20's:
I assume Georgia will pack a decent scrum. is there a chance we could belly up against these guys..?
Quite likely - if we deviate from the detailed tactical plan that I've outlined above!
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So here's the full list for the match against Georgia:
The New Zealand Under 20 team is;
1 Ollie Norris
2 Kianu Kereru Symes (c)
3 Fletcher Newell
4 Cullen Grace
5 Taine Plumtree
6 Samipeni Finau
7 Kohan Herbert
8 Devan Flanders
9 Leroy Carter
10 Rivez Reihana
11 Leicester Faingaanuku
12 Dallas McLeod
13 Quinn Tupaea
14 Etene Nanai-Seturo
15 Cole Forbes16 Shilo Klein
17 George Dyer
18 Kaliopasi Uluilakepa
19 Tamaiti Williams
20 Tupou Vaa’i
21 Kaylum Boshier
22 Jeriah Mua
23 Simon Parker
24 Taufa Funaki
25 Fergus Burke
26 Billy Proctor
27 Scott Gregory
28 Lalomilo Lalomilo*A World Rugby trial sees an extended bench, with eight players able to be used as replacements during the match.http://www.allblacks.com/News/34224/new-zealand-u20s-named-for-world-championship-opener
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Is that 8 forwards on the bench and no backs? Do the trial substitution laws apply?
@ARHS thought that bench was weird when I posted it from the All Blacks website. I see it has been corrected now.
