England vs All Blacks

Crucial

So the Tuilagi talk was just that. Talk.

Quite pleased to see the midfield combination from last week returning. Will be a measure of Moonhead's ability to fix a glaring problem.

Catogrande

@bones said in England vs All Blacks:

@catogrande yeah, there doesn't seem a huge amount between them and those that have replaced them.

Launchbury is a loss. We have good strength in depth at lock but he's the best of the bunch IMO - Gatland thinks otherwise as he didn't get a look in for the Lions, so what do I know?

Watson has shown he knows the way to the try line at all levels so he'd be a shoo-in, probably at 15 which would make the back three with him, then Daly and May look pretty good. Daly at 15 is just not the same for me.

So those two really would make a difference I reckon but unlikely to have made enough of a difference on Saturday.

Billy Webb

@dk said in England vs All Blacks:

The matchday 23 is as follows (with Test caps in brackets):

Karl Tu'inukuafe (10)

Codie Taylor (39)

Owen Franks (104)

Samuel Whitelock (106)

Brodie Retallick (72)

Liam Squire (21)

Ardie Savea (32)

Kieran Read - captain (115)

Aaron Smith (80)

Beauden Barrett (70)

Rieko Ioane (21)

Sonny Bill Williams (50)

Jack Goodhue (5)

Ben Smith (74)

Damian McKenzie (20)

Dane Coles (57)

Ofa Tuungafasi (23)

Nepo Laulala (14)

Scott Barrett (26)

Matt Todd (15)

TJ Perenara (52)

Richie Mo'unga (5)

Ryan Crotty (42)

Ugh. What a sickeningly talented bloomin team. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Good to see Retallick back in action. You guys missed him in the Rugby Championship (yeah, yeah, I know you still bloody won but still..).
Will be interesting to see how match fit he is. Has he played much since missing TRC?

Bones

@catogrande yeah we decided to leave our best loosehead and openside out, plus a fifth of the team are returning from injury or illness. Should be evens.

Crucial

@billy-webb said in England vs All Blacks:

Good to see Retallick back in action. You guys missed him in the Rugby Championship (yeah, yeah, I know you still bloody won but still..).
Will be interesting to see how match fit he is. Has he played much since missing TRC?

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BRODIE RETALLICK

Billy Webb

@crucial

hahaha.
Nice.

Still... who's covering on the bench? Barrett? That's like going from driving an F1 to pedalling a box car...

Crucial

@billy-webb said in England vs All Blacks:

@crucial

hahaha.
Nice.

Still... who's covering on the bench? Barrett? That's like going from driving an F1 to pedalling a box car...

Barrett did alright against your mob. True that there's only one BBBR though.

Billy Webb

@crucial said in England vs All Blacks:

@billy-webb said in England vs All Blacks:

@crucial

hahaha.
Nice.

Still... who's covering on the bench? Barrett? That's like going from driving an F1 to pedalling a box car...

Barrett did alright against your mob. True that there's only one BBBR though.

He did indeed. If memory serves, he was instrumental in the final score against us at Loftus. Much to my surprise.
And most international locks will suffer in comparison to BR.
But if barrett come on for BR, my analogy stands

Catogrande

@bones said in England vs All Blacks:

@catogrande yeah we decided to leave our best loosehead and openside out, plus a fifth of the team are returning from injury or illness. Should be evens.

I'm surprised you're not claiming underdog status.

pakman

Would like to think we can boss English pack.

Bones

@catogrande said in England vs All Blacks:

@bones said in England vs All Blacks:

@catogrande yeah we decided to leave our best loosehead and openside out, plus a fifth of the team are returning from injury or illness. Should be evens.

I'm surprised you're not claiming underdog status.

At home in Fortress Twickenham, coming off a resounding win against the last team to beat us, combinations cemented with influential players returning.

Bones

@pakman said in England vs All Blacks:

Would like to think we can boss English pack.

Yeah I said that about the Saffa pack last week...

Billy Webb

@bones said in England vs All Blacks:

@catogrande said in England vs All Blacks:

@bones said in England vs All Blacks:

@catogrande yeah we decided to leave our best loosehead and openside out, plus a fifth of the team are returning from injury or illness. Should be evens.

I'm surprised you're not claiming underdog status.

At home in Fortress Twickenham, coming off a resounding win against the last team to beat us, combinations cemented with influential players returning.

You, sir, have real talent.

Wairau

Saw this excellent analysis on PR

booboo

@kruse said in England vs All Blacks:

@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:

@nevorian said in England vs All Blacks:

@booboo they wouldn't be expecting Goodhue to see out the full 80 either would they?

Not really sure. Umm ... where did I discuss Goodhue?

I think that's referring to the
@gunner - What happens when SBW leaves the field after 20 minutes then Crotty 10 minutes later?
@booboo - Ardie to 2nd 5/8?

So... of the 3 mid-fielders, 2 have reputations of breaking down, and the other is playing first game after an infection which causes one to "run out of gas" very very quickly.
Ardie at 2nd 5/8 suddenly looking like something that might really happen.

TSF predicts the future once more

sparky

@catogrande said in England vs All Blacks:

England team to play the All Blacks:-

England: Elliot Daly; Chris Ashton, Henry Slade, Ben Te'o, Jonny May; Owen Farrell (co-captain), Ben Youngs; Ben Moon, Dylan Hartley (co-captain), Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, George Kruis, Brad Shields, Sam Underhill, Mark Wilson.

Replacements: Jamie George, Alec Hepburn, Harry Williams, Charlie Ewels, Courtney Lawes, Danny Care, George Ford, Jack Nowell.

I think beer will be my friend on Saturday.

Strong team that will suit England's game plan and purposes well. The return of Chris Ashton and Brad Shields inside knowledge of NZ Rugby will give them a lift. Clever Eddie Jones.

Bovidae

The English coaches are encouraging Itoje to get in the faces of the ABs and be confrontational (i.e., continue to be a penalty magnet). Should be fun as long as Garces hasn't made another deal.

Crucial

@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:

The English coaches are encouraging Itoje to get in the faces of the ABs and be confrontational (i.e., continue to be a penalty magnet). Should be fun as long as Garces hasn't made another deal.

I think you misspelled cock as penalty magnet

MN5

@sparky said in England vs All Blacks:

@catogrande said in England vs All Blacks:

England team to play the All Blacks:-

England: Elliot Daly; Chris Ashton, Henry Slade, Ben Te'o, Jonny May; Owen Farrell (co-captain), Ben Youngs; Ben Moon, Dylan Hartley (co-captain), Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, George Kruis, Brad Shields, Sam Underhill, Mark Wilson.

Replacements: Jamie George, Alec Hepburn, Harry Williams, Charlie Ewels, Courtney Lawes, Danny Care, George Ford, Jack Nowell.

I think beer will be my friend on Saturday.

Strong team that will suit England's game plan and purposes well. The return of Chris Ashton and Brad Shields inside knowledge of NZ Rugby will give them a lift. Clever Eddie Jones.

The All Blacks are very strong and will be tough to beat.

Thanks for that startling insight Brad.

taniwharugby

@bovidae well for the Lions he was allowed to stand on our side of the rucks/mauls, living offside being a general nuisance, so with Garces there, dont think we'll see any more penalties.

If he wants to go all tough guy, great, as long as Garces is up to the task of dealing with it, that I doubt he is...astounding he gets these top gigs.

The Silver Fern

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