Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@billy-tell I Guess he mis-spelled clinical?
In the article from Paul, this pretty much sums it up:
No one in the Northern Hemisphere is willing to buy into the idea that the All Blacks success is built on hard work and ingenuity. Not exclusively certainly.
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
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@daffy-jaffy I only just realised Mtawawira is injured.
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@jc said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
We signed Doug Howlett at Munster in 2008. New Zealand’s record tryscorer, you may have expected some ego. He displayed nothing of the kind. I was struck by how, when he had finished eating, he would clean up after himself and give the plate back to the counter. Others would see this and the best elements of his culture became part of ours.
Howlett was such a top bloke he would be sure to leave his insurance details after knocking in the roof of your car.
Good article - but the "no dickheads" angle is a bit overdone and doesn't do NZ any good. Like with any other group of 23 guys you are going to get your share of dickheads (or just flawed individuals), they just don't bring it to work.
The holier than thou stuff is why whenever Sonny Bill throws a shoulder charge or an AB gets a DUI the NH and Aus media love to chirp.
@rotated said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Good article - but the "no dickheads" angle is a bit overdone and doesn't do NZ any good.
Danny Hearn, who was seriously injured in a tackle on Ian McRae in 1967, and knows more than a little about team dynamics, thinks it a key reason for their success. Here he is on spending a few days with the team in 2013 after being invited by McRae.
"What a privilege. When you see them face to face en masse they look so young but then again I’m now getting very old. Above all else it was their discipline and politeness which was extraordinary and which I so rarely see written about. Yet it is at the heart of their genius and pre-eminence.
“One morning they wanted to train quite early and were required to meet in the hotel lobby at 8.30am, maybe even a bit earlier, and I heard Steve Hansen spell it out the night before that there was to be no excessive noise to disturb the other guests who were paying good money for their stay.
And they were quiet as mice, tiptoeing around like it was Christmas Eve. Anybody who has ever been associated with a high-spirited rugby team will appreciate how deeply impressive that is."
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
You must get out an awful lot more than me as I rarely meet these people.
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@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
You must get out an awful lot more than me as I rarely meet these people.
@catogrande said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
You must get out an awful lot more than me as I rarely meet these people.
A lot of the people I see in England, even Wales - are more those for whom rugby is a secondary sport, and they only have limited understanding of rules/etc. Soccer/football is obviously the primary sport - and they just watch rugby for the 6 Nations, and some of the "Autumn Internationals" - if they don't have anything else going on.
For a lot of these people, their whole understanding of rugby comes from the "clickbait" type articles in newspapers - so if Stephen Jones or Stuart Barnes write some ridiculous article... they'll believe it.
There are obviously also those who actually do watch rugby, including club rugby - and know their shit.
I'll leave it up to you to figure out which my boss is, with the clue being the first thing he said to me after the Eng-NZ game was... "Right, am I mad, but... how was that ever offside? I mean the ball was way ahead of that guy... " -
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
Yep this 100%. My neighbour is an older retired gentleman that watches a huge amount of rugby and played to a good standard back in the day. Every time NZ play he tells me McCaw was a "poor" player who the refs were too scared to penalise properly. And that he wouldn't have made the England team.
He is an otherwise intelligent and thoroughly lovely bloke. Obviously swore Lawes was onside last weekend.
It's fucking bizarre, and he's representative of most English rugby fans I come into contact with.
I've been here 13 years and it's gotten worse as the ABs have become more dominant.
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@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
Yep this 100%. My neighbour is an older retired gentleman that watches a huge amount of rugby and played to a good standard back in the day. Every time NZ play he tells me McCaw was a "poor" player who the refs were too scared to penalise properly. And that he wouldn't have made the England team.
He is an otherwise intelligent and thoroughly lovely bloke. Obviously swore Lawes was onside last weekend.
It's fucking bizarre, and he's representative of most English rugby fans I come into contact with.
I've been here 13 years and it's gotten worse as the ABs have become more dominant.
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@catogrande said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@tewaio @Kruse Hmmm. Maybe you guys just get this shit because you're Kiwis? No point in trying to bait and Englishman on this subject sort of thing?
I haven't seen any of the extreme behaviour reported by @Victor-Meldrew or @TeWaio ... although I can believe there is a small minority that really do behave like this.
Like I say - I just see much more moderate (and genuine) "ignorance due to it's not my main sport", by those who read bollocks articles.
And when I talk to anybody with a genuine interest in rugby - ie, anybody supporting a local club... they are generally fine.What I have been surprised by, is whenever I watch a game in a Welsh pub... for a country where it's supposed to be NZ-like in that it's the main sport... the "average pundit" doesn't seem to know the game. Or perhaps - just that they're super parochial/one-eyed?
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You can get into a bubble being a rugby fan and assume everyone knows stuff. Listening to radio this morning and the presenter says “...and Ireland play New Zealand later on , oh no I mean theyre playing the ALL Blacks, are they the same thing, I don know, but I’m told it will be lots of fun. Anyway onto other things, the headlines are....”
In the city centre this morning and the rugby carpetbaggers are out in force. Pubs that wouldn’t be seen dead showing a rugby game any other weekend are all dressed up in green and flags with prices jacked up accordingly. Hate that gouging shit.
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@catogrande said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
You must get out an awful lot more than me as I rarely meet these people.
A lot of the people I see in England, even Wales - are more those for whom rugby is a secondary sport, and they only have limited understanding of rules/etc. Soccer/football is obviously the primary sport - and they just watch rugby for the 6 Nations, and some of the "Autumn Internationals" - if they don't have anything else going on.
For a lot of these people, their whole understanding of rugby comes from the "clickbait" type articles in newspapers - so if Stephen Jones or Stuart Barnes write some ridiculous article... they'll believe it.
There are obviously also those who actually do watch rugby, including club rugby - and know their shit.
I'll leave it up to you to figure out which my boss is, with the clue being the first thing he said to me after the Eng-NZ game was... "Right, am I mad, but... how was that ever offside? I mean the ball was way ahead of that guy... "@kruse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
For a lot of these people, their whole understanding of rugby comes from the "clickbait" type articles in newspapers - so if Stephen Jones or Stuart Barnes write some ridiculous article... they'll believe it.
This times 100.
The proper rugby fans are as good as any you meet anywhere. Though I've met genuine supporters who have difficulty.understanding that the likes of Tana and Nonu were born in NZ.
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@catogrande said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Hmmm. Maybe you guys just get this shit because you're Kiwis?
Been here for 30+ years so I do blend in.... When they twig I'm from NZ the shit generally stops.
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You can get into a bubble being a rugby fan and assume everyone knows stuff. Listening to radio this morning and the presenter says “...and Ireland play New Zealand later on , oh no I mean theyre playing the ALL Blacks, are they the same thing, I don know, but I’m told it will be lots of fun. Anyway onto other things, the headlines are....”
In the city centre this morning and the rugby carpetbaggers are out in force. Pubs that wouldn’t be seen dead showing a rugby game any other weekend are all dressed up in green and flags with prices jacked up accordingly. Hate that gouging shit.
@derm-mccrum For all that, Dublin is far and away the best city I’ve been to to watch a test match. If they are dressing the place up to convince the visitors they are fans they’re doing a great job of it!
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Goodness the best part of ten minutes until kick off and both teams are already on the field of play for the pre match ceremonies. Must be a record of some sorts.
First dignatory up is the President of the Republic of Ireland, clearly a half back in his playing days -
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
@victor-meldrew i didnt come across too many like that.
MY rugby coach was a dick and played to the stereo type of KIwis in UK, in the 'accent' too
BUt I worked with a guy, big soccer fan, occasional rugby fan....tried to enlighten me on the dummy running rules NZ were breaking after the media job Woodward did in the NH tour that year (2002?)
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Couple of very good kicks from DMac and Beauden early on.
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We look on early which makes a nice change
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Good defense from Ireland but nice to see us at the right end of the pitch early on making them tackle.
