2019 Rugby Championship

gt12

@KiwiMurph said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

@Tim Hemopo

Agreed. If not, then it's Fifita or a real bolter.

I have to say that the young Canes lock IWL looks pretty good - played very well today, but surely not his time yet, if it ever comes.

Tim

@gt12 Would rank IWL massively ahead of a nobody like Franklin.

taniwharugby

So lets say this is our likely starting 15...

~~Moody~~
~~Taylor~~
~~FRanks~~
BBBR
~~Whitelock~~
Squire?
Cane/Ardie
~~Read~~
Smith/TJP
BB
Reiko
Crotty
Goodhue
Naholo
BFA

Lots of gaps there with them not picking from the Crusaders.

E African Troll

@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

So lets say this is our likely starting 15...

~~Moody~~
~~Taylor~~
~~FRanks~~
BBBR
~~Whitelock~~
Squire?
Cane/Ardie
~~Read~~
Smith/TJP
BB
Reiko
Crotty
Goodhue
Naholo
BFA

Lots of gaps there with them not picking from the Crusaders.

The pack is much weaker when you have add average players like Pat T at lock, Ofa T as TH prop and Squire

Hemepo will start as will ALB + Harris & a bunch of Hurricanes players

Machpants

Our last 23 vs Italy gives some ideas

Ofa Tuungafasi (25)
Dane Coles (59)
Nepo Laulala (16)
Patrick Tuipulotu (20)
Scott Barrett (28)
Vaea Fifita (8)
Ardie Savea (34)
Kieran Read – captain (117)
TJ Perenara (54)
Beauden Barrett (72)
Waisake Naholo (25)
Ngani Laumape (9)
Anton Lienert-Brown (32)
Jordie Barrett (8)
Damian McKenzie (22)
Nathan Harris (19)
Karl Tu’inukuafe (12)
Angus Ta’avao (1)
Brodie Retallick (74)
Dalton Papalii (1)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (2)
Richie Mo’unga (8)
Rieko Ioane (23)

So

Ofa Tuungafasi
Dane Coles
Angus Ta’avao
Patrick Tuipulotu (or in 5)
Brodie Retallick
Liam Squire or Fafita
Sam Cane or Ardie
Ardie Savea or (yuck) Whitlock
Aaron Smith or TJ
Beauden Barrett
Rieko Ioane
SBW or Ngani Laumape
Anton Lienert-Brown
Jordie Barrett or Naholo
BFA

?

ACT Crusader

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

SBW

The Fern might self-destruct if Sonny starts the first test...

gt12

OK, now that Super rugby is pretty much done, it's time to think about the squad for the first AB team, and here I've put down my guesses for the 23 for Argentina 1st up. Apart from first five and fullback, we have plenty of riches.

Questions for me are whether they'll use Squire as the second 8. If not, then Akira or L. Whitelock will likely have a chance. Alternatively, they could start Ardie, but since he's had such a big workload, I think they'll put him on the bench. Also, if Squire doesn't play 8, I assume he'll then play at 6, so they'll have to make some decisions about Fifita and Frizzel. Frizzel definitely started Super rugby playing well, but then stopped getting picked - he needs to move to establish himself. Although, I personally think he suits our play better, I think they'll pick Fifita.

The midfield is the one I think they'll select, not what I'd select. However, SBW will need time out there starting to see whether he is worth persevering with.

I assume that Jordie will be given a chance to play himself into the team, either at FB or wing. If not, then Naholo may get one last chance ( I can't see it though, he's been terrible all year) or they could have another look at Nanai as a right winger (or even Alaimalo). Alternatively, I just wonder whether a player like Goosen could get a call up, he's been a bit Cory Jane like at times and looks a better bet for the ABs than Lam. Nevertheless, I haven't picked any of them as I assume it'll be an Ioane, BFA, Barrett back three.

The reserve lock is an interesting pick - I assume it will be Hemopo, but I wonder whether they'll look at one of the two very good young locks running around. Too soon for both IMO, but I think they both look like they'll wear black at some point.

I've put A smith on the bench to give J. Ioane a helping hand when he gets a run, and I did the same with the Chiefs front row (I'd choose Laulala, but they may think that Ta'avao has been playing better). Lomax is a dark horse to get a run here too, as he had some very good games.

Tu'inukuafe
Coles
Tu'ungafasi
Tuipulotu
Retallick
Fifita (Frizzel)
Cane
Squire
TJP
B. Barrett
R. Ioane
SBW
ALB
BFA
J. Barrett
Harris (Coltman?)
Laulala / Ta’avao (Lomax?)
Moli
Hemopo (IWL? Parkinson? )
Savea
A. Smith
J. Ioane
Laumape

Stargazer

It's close to what I would have written down, also assuming who they'll pick in the midfield, not what I would pick. IMO SBW shouldn't be anywhere near the ABs squad.

As to the props, I wonder whether they'll use Tu'ungafasi as the LH.

That could mean:

1 Tu'ungafasi - 3 Laulala/Ta'avao/Lomax
17 Tu'inukuafe - 18 Laulala/Ta'avao/Lomax

I don't expect them to bring many newbies (only where really necessary) into the squad, so reserve lock probably Hemopo.

I can see them start Ardie at no. 8, with Squire at no. 6 and Frizell on the bench.

booboo

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

Our last 23 vs Italy gives some ideas

Ofa Tuungafasi (25)

Dane Coles (59)

Nepo Laulala (16)

Patrick Tuipulotu (20)

Scott Barrett (28)

Vaea Fifita (8)

Ardie Savea (34)

Kieran Read – captain (117)

TJ Perenara (54)

Beauden Barrett (72)

Waisake Naholo (25)

Ngani Laumape (9)

Anton Lienert-Brown (32)

Jordie Barrett (8)

Damian McKenzie (22)

Nathan Harris (19)

Karl Tu’inukuafe (12)

Angus Ta’avao (1)

Brodie Retallick (74)

Dalton Papalii (1)

Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (2)

Richie Mo’unga (8)

Rieko Ioane (23)

So

Ofa Tuungafasi

Dane Coles

Angus Ta’avao

Patrick Tuipulotu (or in 5)

Brodie Retallick

Liam Squire or Fafita

Sam Cane or Ardie

Ardie Savea or (yuck) Whitlock

Aaron Smith or TJ

Beauden Barrett

Rieko Ioane

SBW or Ngani Laumape

Anton Lienert-Brown

Jordie Barrett or Naholo

BFA

?

Sorry. Fifita.

Everyone loves a corrector...

ACT Crusader

I reckon we will see the below loose trio because that is something that could happen in a WC match.

6 - Squire
7 - Cane
8 - Savea

Gunner

@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

I reckon we will see the below loose trio because that is something that could happen in a WC match.

6 - Squire
7 - Cane
8 - Savea

If they pick Rueben Whitelock over Savea I will lose my shit.

Nepia

@ACT-Crusader I’m looking forward to your Canterbury XV for this match - I assume the rules will be loosened, once spent a weekend in Christchurch etc.

mariner4life

@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

I reckon we will see the below loose trio because that is something that could happen in a WC match.

6 - Squire
7 - Cane
8 - Savea

Yuck

E African Troll

@mariner4life

Not liking that Combo at all!!!

Squire is a typical Highlanders journeyman forward with Honorable exceptions for Frizell & Coltman

Hemepo not back until 2021 & Lomax is moving north to Wellington

Squire as well as being injure prone is a bit of a meathead prone to poor discipline

pakman

@gt12 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

OK, now that Super rugby is pretty much done, it's time to think about the squad for the first AB team, and here I've put down my guesses for the 23 for Argentina 1st up. Apart from first five and fullback, we have plenty of riches.

Questions for me are whether they'll use Squire as the second 8. If not, then Akira or L. Whitelock will likely have a chance. Alternatively, they could start Ardie, but since he's had such a big workload, I think they'll put him on the bench. Also, if Squire doesn't play 8, I assume he'll then play at 6, so they'll have to make some decisions about Fifita and Frizzel. Frizzel definitely started Super rugby playing well, but then stopped getting picked - he needs to move to establish himself. Although, I personally think he suits our play better, I think they'll pick Fifita.

The midfield is the one I think they'll select, not what I'd select. However, SBW will need time out there starting to see whether he is worth persevering with.

I assume that Jordie will be given a chance to play himself into the team, either at FB or wing. If not, then Naholo may get one last chance ( I can't see it though, he's been terrible all year) or they could have another look at Nanai as a right winger (or even Alaimalo). Alternatively, I just wonder whether a player like Goosen could get a call up, he's been a bit Cory Jane like at times and looks a better bet for the ABs than Lam. Nevertheless, I haven't picked any of them as I assume it'll be an Ioane, BFA, Barrett back three.

The reserve lock is an interesting pick - I assume it will be Hemopo, but I wonder whether they'll look at one of the two very good young locks running around. Too soon for both IMO, but I think they both look like they'll wear black at some point.

I've put A smith on the bench to give J. Ioane a helping hand when he gets a run, and I did the same with the Chiefs front row (I'd choose Laulala, but they may think that Ta'avao has been playing better). Lomax is a dark horse to get a run here too, as he had some very good games.

Tu'inukuafe

Coles

Tu'ungafasi

Tuipulotu

Retallick

Fifita (Frizzel)

Cane

Squire

TJP

B. Barrett

R. Ioane

SBW

ALB

BFA

J. Barrett

Harris (Coltman?)

Laulala / Ta’avao (Lomax?)

Moli

Hemopo (IWL? Parkinson? )

Savea

A. Smith

J. Ioane

Laumape

Looks pretty good. My hunch Moli and Laulala to start and the two Tu's to come off bench. Wouldn't mind seeing how Hemopo and BBBR go as starting pair, and Patty T bench. Sam/Squire/Savea for loosies. Most interesting position bench 6/8. I'm picking Frizzell/Akira/Fifita in order of likelihood.

mofitzy_

It's a shame there is no standout at 6 because seeing Squires name doesn't fill me with confidence. Would rather see 4-5 guys over him.

pukunui

@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

It's a shame there is no standout at 6 because seeing Squires name doesn't fill me with confidence. Would rather see 4-5 guys over him.

Agreed. This Super rugby season frustatingly offered no answers to the AB 6 question.

Squire hardly played snd when he did, he did something stupid and got carded and killed off his teams season.

Frizzel started the season really well but then got dropped.

Hemopo was decent but mainly played at lock (as far as i know).

Whitelock was tried there and was forgettable.

Taufua lost his starting spot to Douglas so wasn’t able to prove much.

Fifita was mainly anonymous. Most memorable thing he did was get suspended for a couple of weeks.

Papalii was mostly riding the pine behind big red and when he did play wasn’t really a stand out.

Akira didn’t show anything that duggested he could fill that spot. Was played into the ground and his performances tailed off badly in tve second half of the comp.

Robinson, Elliot Dixon and Jacobsen all had their moments but not enough to force their way into the conversation.

So in summary. 6 is still the biggest hole in the AB squad. We at least have a few contenders for the 14 jersey now.

ACT Crusader

@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

@mariner4life

Not liking that Combo at all!!!

Squire is a typical Highlanders journeyman forward with Honorable exceptions for Frizell & Coltman

Hemepo not back until 2021 & Lomax is moving north to Wellington

Squire as well as being injure prone is a bit of a meathead prone to poor discipline

That’s quite funny that a Puma’s fan is telling us about meathead forwards. You do know why most Argentinian’s went to France to play, so they could get away with all their cheap shots

As for my 6,7,8 it’s not my preferred but given Hansen is a big fan of Squire and Ardie will be our bench man, I think this will be a simulated WC run.

I like Hemopo’s game and would prefer him at blindside.

Bones

If they're happy with Hemopo going overseas and being in black then he has to be there. Papalii is a bit the forgotten man eh, but thought he was quite impressive playing a tighter more kainoesque role. Would quite like to see him in the mix.

mofitzy_

@Bones
A year in Japan isn't too much of a concern. They will certainly pick other guys doing similar.

The Silver Fern

2019 Rugby Championship