2019 Rugby Championship
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@Chris said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
SBW is a point of difference compared to the other 2nd five options.He adds something different to attack those inside channels with.
Not a great fan of his selection But I understand why.What's SBW's 'point of difference'? Being able to hit contact hard and offload isn't amazing like it was when he first got going. ALB has soooooo many offloads this season. Laumape, too, and he can hit the line and kicks better than SBW. It's not like the acceleration/speed of BB at ten, there's no one else there. Hard hitting offloading centres are common, SBW started it but times have moved on.
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Chris said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
SBW is a point of difference compared to the other 2nd five options.He adds something different to attack those inside channels with.
Not a great fan of his selection But I understand why.What's SBW's 'point of difference'? Being able to hit contact hard and offload isn't amazing like it was when he first got going. ALB has soooooo many offloads this season.
those SBW offloads though, are still better than most in the game. There's offloads and offloads - others have caught up somewhat, but his arms are incredible. Two defenders on him, and he manages to get the ball away.
The coaches clearly rate him as an athlete and team player.
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@Jaguares4real Except he’s shown he doesn’t have a commitment to NZ in the past to go along with his DV. He was out the door before his overseas contract was cancelled. The guy was 21 and had given up on making the ABs, gets in trouble with the law and then he’s all yep I’m a kiwi again, stick you Fiji.
Oh and he’s poachie as fudge!
@Magpie_in_aus Wearing eye liner is evidence of not being a good person now.
Well, TBF Michael Laws ...
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Chris said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
SBW is a point of difference compared to the other 2nd five options.He adds something different to attack those inside channels with.
Not a great fan of his selection But I understand why.What's SBW's 'point of difference'? Being able to hit contact hard and offload isn't amazing like it was when he first got going. ALB has soooooo many offloads this season.
those SBW offloads though, are still better than most in the game. There's offloads and offloads - others have caught up somewhat, but his arms are incredible. Two defenders on him, and he manages to get the ball away.
The coaches clearly rate him as an athlete and team player.
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@Nepia he didn’t give up on NZ. NZ gave up on him by not giving him a super contract until crusaders offered him
@Yeahtheboys said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia he didn’t give up on NZ. NZ gave up on him by not giving him a super contract until crusaders offered him
He didn’t make a squad when he was 20 - lots of players don’t ... that’s not NZ giving up on him.
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@nzzp they sure do, I don't, not anymore after his wasted time league & sevens, and losing us the Lions tour. But I'm not the selector, and I really hope they're right.
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@nzzp they sure do, I don't, not anymore after his wasted time league & sevens, and losing us the Lions tour. But I'm not the selector, and I really hope they're right.
remember he basically won us the Blues game against the Lions too - had a massive contribution that night.
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@nzzp they sure do, I don't, not anymore after his wasted time league & sevens, and losing us the Lions tour. But I'm not the selector, and I really hope they're right.
remember he basically won us the Blues game against the Lions too - had a massive contribution that night.
@nzzp yep but that's Lions B, and he lost the series. I'm not saying he's not been great in patches, but he's done some real dumb shite, and stuffed up big style. He'll be fit but under done, and I hope we dunt see another league style shoulder charge or slap back over the line cos he's played stuff all rugby
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Chris said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
SBW is a point of difference compared to the other 2nd five options.He adds something different to attack those inside channels with.
Not a great fan of his selection But I understand why.What's SBW's 'point of difference'? Being able to hit contact hard and offload isn't amazing like it was when he first got going. ALB has soooooo many offloads this season.
those SBW offloads though, are still better than most in the game. There's offloads and offloads - others have caught up somewhat, but his arms are incredible. Two defenders on him, and he manages to get the ball away.
The coaches clearly rate him as an athlete and team player.
@nzzp said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Chris said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
SBW is a point of difference compared to the other 2nd five options.He adds something different to attack those inside channels with.
Not a great fan of his selection But I understand why.What's SBW's 'point of difference'? Being able to hit contact hard and offload isn't amazing like it was when he first got going. ALB has soooooo many offloads this season.
those SBW offloads though, are still better than most in the game. There's offloads and offloads - others have caught up somewhat, but his arms are incredible. Two defenders on him, and he manages to get the ball away.
The coaches clearly rate him as an athlete and team player.
the coaches clearly overrate him.
yes, he's very good at offloading. but so is ALB. so is kieran read for that matter. and that fijian lock whose name escapes me right now is probably the best of the lot.
SBW is somewhat better than ALB at getting his arms free in multiple contact due to his height, but he's also significantly worse at the decision-making part of it. i agree there are offloads and offloads. but many of sbw's offloads are static and do not actually give us any benefit, they just free up the ball to someone in a worse position. he has the highest error-rate of not only any of our current midfielders, but since what, luke mcallister?
i can see why they like him against a rush defence, but i think it's wishful thinking at this stage. -
RS interview with Jacobson on at moment, so be up on demand soon I expect
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Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
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Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
@Machpants Not to mention Te Aroha being part of Thames Valley and Tokoroa clearly being a pacific island somewhere outside NZs borders where we allegedly poach players from.
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@Jaguares4real Except he’s shown he doesn’t have a commitment to NZ in the past to go along with his DV. He was out the door before his overseas contract was cancelled. The guy was 21 and had given up on making the ABs, gets in trouble with the law and then he’s all yep I’m a kiwi again, stick you Fiji.
Oh and he’s poachie as fudge!
@Magpie_in_aus Wearing eye liner is evidence of not being a good person now.
Well, TBF Michael Laws ...
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Jaguares4real Except he’s shown he doesn’t have a commitment to NZ in the past to go along with his DV. He was out the door before his overseas contract was cancelled. The guy was 21 and had given up on making the ABs, gets in trouble with the law and then he’s all yep I’m a kiwi again, stick you Fiji.
Oh and he’s poachie as fudge!
@Magpie_in_aus Wearing eye liner is evidence of not being a good person now.
Well, TBF Michael Laws ...
A year ago Reece was an unknown guy playing provincial rugby
He wasn't playing Super Rugby so of course he wasn't thinking of ABs
Not every rugby playeris obsessed with playing for ABs Some want to make money and provide for their family or travel the world
Anyway Fiji don;t need him They have better wingers in Tuisova and Goneva
Nadolo & Nagusa retired recently
French bastard clubs in Top 14 bought them off Bunch of pirates
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@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia not that we want to go into discussing this and detract form his stellar seasonl, but given how slow the judicial system moves, I expect the incident would have happened a long time prior to the court hearings...and just as likely signed an offshore contract in the interim??
He signed in May 2018 so I think it’s fair to say he wasn’t committed to NZ rugby regardless of whether he was due in court facing DV charges - which happened in July 2018 IIRC.
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
He signed in May 2018 so I think it’s fair to say he wasn’t committed to NZ rugby regardless of whether he was due in court facing DV charges - which happened in July 2018 IIRC.
Yeah not particularly fond of playing the "not committed to NZ rugby" game.
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
Like the other half dozen guys where there is a legitimate argument for poaching I'm happy to give or take him because quite honestly the gap between him and the next cab is not terribly wide - but if he is under an NZRU contact then good on him.
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Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
Te Aroha is Thames Valley too ...
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
Te Aroha is Thames Valley too ...
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
Te Aroha is Thames Valley too ...
Also, pretty sure Thames Valley encapsulates Te Aroha.
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@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
Te Aroha is Thames Valley too ...
Also, pretty sure Thames Valley encapsulates Te Aroha.
@Bones said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
Te Aroha is Thames Valley too ...
Also, pretty sure Thames Valley encapsulates Te Aroha.
You know ... that might have been mentioned...
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@Bones said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
Te Aroha is Thames Valley too ...
Also, pretty sure Thames Valley encapsulates Te Aroha.
You know ... that might have been mentioned...
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Bones said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
Te Aroha is Thames Valley too ...
Also, pretty sure Thames Valley encapsulates Te Aroha.
You know ... that might have been mentioned...
Oh shit. Anyone mentioned Tokoroa not being part of NZ?
