2019 Rugby Championship
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@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Bones said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Some real AB legends there...
Waikato's last home-grown All Blacks
2012 (debut year): Tawera Kerr-Barlow (born: Melbourne, school: Hamilton Boys' High, club: Hautapu, tests: 27)
2009: Aled de Malmanche (Palmerston North, Hamilton Boys' High, Hamilton Old Boys, 5)
2008: Kevin O'Neill (Te Aroha, Sacred Heart College, Hamilton Marist, 1)
2008: Richard Kahui (Tokoroa, Forest View High, Te Rapa, 17)
2007: Brendon Leonard (Morrinsville, Matamata College, Morrinsville Sports, 13)Those first two are "home grown"?
Te Aroha is Thames Valley too ...
Also, pretty sure Thames Valley encapsulates Te Aroha.
You know ... that might have been mentioned...
Oh shit. Anyone mentioned Tokoroa not being part of NZ?
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I think they want SBW as a counter to the fast rushing defense.
He hits the line and they have to cover his offload, I guess it helps create indecision and pulls in defenders.@Darren said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I think they want SBW as a counter to the fast rushing defense.
He hits the line and they have to cover his offload, I guess it helps create indecision and pulls in defenders.I think they want SBW because he rocks up to the Adidas launch, seems to pull off the new collarless AB t-shirt, smiles at the Adidas execs and during Ramadan is a really cheap Food Bill.
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@Darren said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I think they want SBW as a counter to the fast rushing defense.
He hits the line and they have to cover his offload, I guess it helps create indecision and pulls in defenders.I think they want SBW because he rocks up to the Adidas launch, seems to pull off the new collarless AB t-shirt, smiles at the Adidas execs and during Ramadan is a really cheap Food Bill.
@ACT-Crusader Red Bull and Tramadol is cheaper than Brancott Estate.
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@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
He signed in May 2018 so I think it’s fair to say he wasn’t committed to NZ rugby regardless of whether he was due in court facing DV charges - which happened in July 2018 IIRC.
Yeah not particularly fond of playing the "not committed to NZ rugby" game.
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
Like the other half dozen guys where there is a legitimate argument for poaching I'm happy to give or take him because quite honestly the gap between him and the next cab is not terribly wide - but if he is under an NZRU contact then good on him.
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
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@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
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@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
I agree Reece would not be playign Rugby in NZ if not for his unfromtiate incidentBut hey that's life Shit happens
He turned a terrible time in his life to a pleasant change in location and maturity
Good on Reece Redemption is a beautiful thing
Couldn't care less if he plays fro NZ or Fiji He would be eligible to play for both
Born and raised in Fiji Educated in NZ and started his pro rugby career in NZ
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I would happily take Jordan or Havili over Reece but obviously the selectors see something in him that they can't replicate.
Amazing to think our wings in 2015 final were The Bus and NMS, both of whom are complete lame ducks now. In fact I'd probably take an aging Kahui and Jane over them in 2019.
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@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
I agree Reece would not be playign Rugby in NZ if not for his unfromtiate incidentBut hey that's life Shit happens
He turned a terrible time in his life to a pleasant change in location and maturity
Good on Reece Redemption is a beautiful thing
Couldn't care less if he plays fro NZ or Fiji He would be eligible to play for both
Born and raised in Fiji Educated in NZ and started his pro rugby career in NZ
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
I agree Reece would not be playign Rugby in NZ if not for his unfromtiate incidentBut hey that's life Shit happens
He turned a terrible time in his life to a pleasant change in location and maturity
Good on Reece Redemption is a beautiful thing
Couldn't care less if he plays fro NZ or Fiji He would be eligible to play for both
Born and raised in Fiji Educated in NZ and started his pro rugby career in NZ
A terrible time in his life? I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one dragged to the ground by his partner.
Also, there appears to be conflicting details between the story quoted by @Tim which said he had been blacklisted by the Chiefs, whereas this one says blacklisted by police. Chiefs makes more sense, as I'm not sure what a blacklisting by the police would mean . . .
The police prosecutor said Reece was already on notice after being blacklisted by police and his offending comes at a time when the government was spending large amounts of money to deter family violence.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12136189
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@Darren said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I think they want SBW as a counter to the fast rushing defense.
He hits the line and they have to cover his offload, I guess it helps create indecision and pulls in defenders.I think they want SBW because he rocks up to the Adidas launch, seems to pull off the new collarless AB t-shirt, smiles at the Adidas execs and during Ramadan is a really cheap Food Bill.
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Darren said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I think they want SBW as a counter to the fast rushing defense.
He hits the line and they have to cover his offload, I guess it helps create indecision and pulls in defenders.I think they want SBW because he rocks up to the Adidas launch, seems to pull off the new collarless AB t-shirt, smiles at the Adidas execs and during Ramadan is a really cheap Food Bill.
He looks farking stupid with that beard though.
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I would happily take Jordan or Havili over Reece but obviously the selectors see something in him that they can't replicate.
Amazing to think our wings in 2015 final were The Bus and NMS, both of whom are complete lame ducks now. In fact I'd probably take an aging Kahui and Jane over them in 2019.
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@mofitzy_ Bloody hell there's a name. Kahui. Always annoyed me that he left so early and never came back.
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@Yeetyaah Yeah, I rated Kahui, but his shoulder couldn't handle the rugby here anymore. He didn't leave for the coin (not in the first place anyway), he left to be able to continue playing.
@Stargazer said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Yeetyaah Yeah, I rated Kahui, but his shoulder couldn't handle the rugby here anymore. He didn't leave for the coin (not in the first place anyway), he left to be able to continue playing.
He gave us Bill in 2011. That'll do
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@Stargazer said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Yeetyaah Yeah, I rated Kahui, but his shoulder couldn't handle the rugby here anymore. He didn't leave for the coin (not in the first place anyway), he left to be able to continue playing.
He gave us Bill in 2011. That'll do
@canefan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Yeetyaah Yeah, I rated Kahui, but his shoulder couldn't handle the rugby here anymore. He didn't leave for the coin (not in the first place anyway), he left to be able to continue playing.
He gave us Bill in 2011. That'll do
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@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
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New Zealanders in "being cool with good player making the All Blacks" shocker
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SQUAD NEWS: Wallabies announce squad for South Africa tour
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Allan Alaalatoa (32 Tests, Brumbies, 25)
Rory Arnold (19 Tests , Brumbies, 29)
Jack Dempsey (10 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 25)
Folau Fainga’a (7 Tests, Brumbies, 24)
Michael Hooper (c) (91 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 27)
Luke Jones (3 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 28)
Sekope Kepu (103 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 33)
Tolu Latu (12 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 26)
Isi Naisarani (uncapped, Melbourne Rebels, 24)
Tom Robertson (24 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 24)
Izack Rodda (17 Tests, Queensland Reds, 22)
Rob Simmons (94 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 30)
Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (11, Queensland Reds, 22)
Scott Sio (55 Tests, Brumbies, 27)
James Slipper (86 Tests, Brumbies, 30)
Taniela Tupou (11 Tests, Queensland Reds, 23)
Jordan Uelese (2 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 22)
Rob Valetini (uncapped, Brumbies, 20)
Liam Wright (uncapped, Queensland Reds, 21)Backs
Adam Ashley-Cooper (117 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 35)
Tom Banks (3 Tests, Brumbies, 25)
Kurtley Beale (83 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 30)
Bernard Foley (68 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 29)
Will Genia (100 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 31)
Dane Haylett-Petty (31 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 30)
Reece Hodge (33 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 24)
Samu Kerevi (25 Tests, Queensland Reds, 25)
Marika Koroibete (20 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 26)
Tevita Kuridrani (58 Tests, Brumbies, 28)
Christian Lealiifano (19 Tests, Brumbies, 31)
Jack Maddocks (7 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 22)
Joe Powell (4 Tests, Brumbies, 25)
Matt Toomua (42 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 29)
Nic White (22 Tests, Exeter Chiefs, 29)Brumbies playmaker Christian Lealiifano is back in a Wallabies squad for the first time in three years but the national selection panel has omitted a number of Test regulars from the group to head to South Africa.A host of Test regulars have been left out of the squad, including Waratahs Nick Phipps and Ned Hanigan, in the first squad picked by the newly-established selection panel. Nic White has been included for the first time since 2015, alongside Will Genia and Joe Powell. Rebels no. 8 Isi Naisarani is one of three uncapped players in the squad, along with Reds rookie Liam Wright and Rob Valetini the other contenders to make Test debuts. David Pocock, Adam Coleman and Pete Samu are missing from the squad with injury. James O'Connor was invited to train with the Wallabies this week, six years after his last Test for Australia, but the utility will not travel to Africa with the group. -
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
Well at least you’ve got something else to complain about after Hansen’s comments about Akira.
Turns out he is kinda lazy despite your insistence he’s not.
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@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
Well at least you’ve got something else to complain about after Hansen’s comments about Akira.
Turns out he is kinda lazy despite your insistence he’s not.
@SammyC said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
Well at least you’ve got something else to complain about after Hansen’s comments about Akira.
Turns out he is kinda lazy despite your insistence he’s not.
pretty reliable on the injury front though, so there's that
