2019 Rugby Championship
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https://wallabies.rugby/news/2019/07/03/wallabies-2019-rugby-championship-squad
Wallabies named (34 man squad).
Big names missing = Quade, Hanigan, Phipps, Coleman (injured), Pocock (injured) JOC (contract issue).
AAC selection makes SBW look like a form selection.
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https://wallabies.rugby/news/2019/07/03/wallabies-2019-rugby-championship-squad
Wallabies named (34 man squad).
Big names missing = Quade, Hanigan, Phipps, Coleman (injured), Pocock (injured) JOC (contract issue).
AAC selection makes SBW look like a form selection.
@KiwiMurph said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
https://wallabies.rugby/news/2019/07/03/wallabies-2019-rugby-championship-squad
Wallabies named (34 man squad).
Big names missing = Quade, Hanigan, Phipps, Coleman (injured), Pocock (injured) JOC (contract issue).
AAC selection makes SBW look like a form selection.
Only having Wales in their pool will see them contest a quarter-final.
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@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
Well at least you’ve got something else to complain about after Hansen’s comments about Akira.
Turns out he is kinda lazy despite your insistence he’s not.
@SammyC said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
Well at least you’ve got something else to complain about after Hansen’s comments about Akira.
Turns out he is kinda lazy despite your insistence he’s not.
Sheesh, you guys will go to the mattresses for anyone who even wanders past wearing a rednblack skivvy won’t you?
Akira may be lazy off the field - but he still racks up numbers comparable to the rest of the 8s in the comp. I guess if he ever gets as fit as The Douglas-Taufua combo he’ll be unbeatable.
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@SammyC said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
Well at least you’ve got something else to complain about after Hansen’s comments about Akira.
Turns out he is kinda lazy despite your insistence he’s not.
Sheesh, you guys will go to the mattresses for anyone who even wanders past wearing a rednblack skivvy won’t you?
Akira may be lazy off the field - but he still racks up numbers comparable to the rest of the 8s in the comp. I guess if he ever gets as fit as The Douglas-Taufua combo he’ll be unbeatable.
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@SammyC said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
Well at least you’ve got something else to complain about after Hansen’s comments about Akira.
Turns out he is kinda lazy despite your insistence he’s not.
Sheesh, you guys will go to the mattresses for anyone who even wanders past wearing a rednblack skivvy won’t you?
Akira may be lazy off the field - but he still racks up numbers comparable to the rest of the 8s in the comp. I guess if he ever gets as fit as The Douglas-Taufua combo he’ll be unbeatable.
Too right! he's one of us now
even referred to himself as a Christchurch boy in that sky sport interview stargazer posted.Akira's defensive stats when adjusted for minutes played are a fair bit behind both Douglas and Taufua. I think a little extra fitness may help with that.
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haha that's exactly it. Even pro rugby players call in sick after a bender #justoneoftheboys
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@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
The '95 side were one of our best and were signing and negotiating an exit from the NZRU during the tournament. Naholo. Zinzan Brooke with Manly. Brad Thorn and SBW? All these sabbaticals?
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
I agree Reece would not be playign Rugby in NZ if not for his unfromtiate incidentBut hey that's life Shit happens
He turned a terrible time in his life to a pleasant change in location and maturity
Good on Reece Redemption is a beautiful thing
Couldn't care less if he plays fro NZ or Fiji He would be eligible to play for both
Born and raised in Fiji Educated in NZ and started his pro rugby career in NZ
A terrible time in his life? I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one dragged to the ground by his partner.
Also, there appears to be conflicting details between the story quoted by @Tim which said he had been blacklisted by the Chiefs, whereas this one says blacklisted by police. Chiefs makes more sense, as I'm not sure what a blacklisting by the police would mean . . .
The police prosecutor said Reece was already on notice after being blacklisted by police and his offending comes at a time when the government was spending large amounts of money to deter family violence.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12136189
I'd think being found guilty of wife ashing in a court would be TERRIBLE
Missing out on a pro contract paying better coin wold be TERRIBLE
Having the incidence reported ad nausiem would be TERRIBLE
I'm no fan of reactionaries and puritans
He committed a crime and was dealt with at the time
As far as I'm concerned he is forgiven and life goes on
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I'd think being found guilty of wife ashing in a court would be TERRIBLE
Missing out on a pro contract paying better coin wold be TERRIBLE
Having the incidence reported ad nausiem would be TERRIBLE
I'm no fan of reactionaries and puritans
He committed a crime and was dealt with at the time
As far as I'm concerned he is forgiven and life goes on
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'd think being found guilty of wife ashing in a court would be TERRIBLE
Missing out on a pro contract paying better coin wold be TERRIBLE
Having the incidence reported ad nausiem would be TERRIBLE
I'm no fan of reactionaries and puritans
He committed a crime and was dealt with at the time
As far as I'm concerned he is forgiven and life goes on
All these big spaces and capitals make me think I'm reading stories from my sons from school.
Oh and if you smack a woman round most people tend to think you're a bit of a fluffybunny too, he needs to wear that.
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@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'd think being found guilty of wife ashing in a court would be TERRIBLE
Missing out on a pro contract paying better coin wold be TERRIBLE
Having the incidence reported ad nausiem would be TERRIBLE
I'm no fan of reactionaries and puritans
He committed a crime and was dealt with at the time
As far as I'm concerned he is forgiven and life goes on
All these big spaces and capitals make me think I'm reading stories from my sons from school.
Oh and if you smack a woman round most people tend to think you're a bit of a fluffybunny too, he needs to wear that.
@MN5 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'd think being found guilty of wife ashing in a court would be TERRIBLE
Missing out on a pro contract paying better coin wold be TERRIBLE
Having the incidence reported ad nausiem would be TERRIBLE
I'm no fan of reactionaries and puritans
He committed a crime and was dealt with at the time
As far as I'm concerned he is forgiven and life goes on
All these big spaces and capitals make me think I'm reading stories from my sons from school.
Oh and if you smack a woman round most people tend to think you're a bit of a fluffybunny too, he needs to wear that.
Your 1st sentence: :sleeping_face: :sleeping_face:
Your 2nd sentence is your POV You're entitled to it
I'd thought folks would be a little more open minded and less judgemental The whole saint complex is a little tedious
I'll let the pearl clutchers & professionally offended bitch and moan
Reece is a rugby player & a very good one atm anything else is meaningless frankly
But hey MN5 you can go and preach to the TSF masses about your flawless character :smiling_face_with_halo:
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https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/07/04/how-to-target-the-all-blacks-part-3-the-20-metre-blind/
Last year the teams seemed to use this quite a bit. Reckon Boks, Wallabies and Pumas will be focusing on this still? With a lil added deception.
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@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I don't really see how any of those are similar to a Fijian signing a contract which would see him leave NZ rugby at 21 but only staying as his contract was cancelled due to DV charges. Zinny changed his mind, Reece would be playing in Ireland if not for roughing up his missus.
You don't see how that is not as "bad" (you seem to think it is, I don't) as Thorn signing a contract to turn his back on both NZ and the game of rugby in the midst of his All Black career?
At least Reece spent some time developing in the NZ system and played schoolboy rugby in NZ. Thorn barely spent a day in the country as an adult outside of playing pro rugby.
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
You can have an issue with the DV charge but that is another kettle of fish entirely.
Thorn left both the code and played rep footy for Australia in the midst of his AB career. Reece was going to play so pro code in Ireland. He likely would have been guided through their poaching pathway and played in emerald in four years - but he may also have returned back to the south pacific homesick after 6 months.
That said, given your username I am going to have to concede the point that you probably have a better knowledge on all things disloyalty to NZ and the game of rugby union.
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@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
You can have an issue with the DV charge but that is another kettle of fish entirely.
Thorn left both the code and played rep footy for Australia in the midst of his AB career. Reece was going to play so pro code in Ireland. He likely would have been guided through their poaching pathway and played in emerald in four years - but he may also have returned back to the south pacific homesick after 6 months.
That said, given your username I am going to have to concede the point that you probably have a better knowledge on all things disloyalty to NZ and the game of rugby union.
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
You can have an issue with the DV charge but that is another kettle of fish entirely.
Thorn left both the code and played rep footy for Australia in the midst of his AB career. Reece was going to play so pro code in Ireland. He likely would have been guided through their poaching pathway and played in emerald in four years - but he may also have returned back to the south pacific homesick after 6 months.
That said, given your username I am going to have to concede the point that you probably have a better knowledge on all things disloyalty to NZ and the game of rugby union.
Now you've just gone straight away weird.
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More a broad statement than a specific understanding of the intimate details of his case (or if he should be picked for the ABs), but people deserve a second chance to atone for relatively minor crimes. Which is why the diversion system exists. If it there is recidivism then there is a deeper issue but if we believe in rehabilitation then we have to allow someone in a situation like Reece to make amends and improve himself.
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@cgrant And Brad Shields and Ben Teo'o too.
Good to see Eddie and Cueball keep up the Kiwi Pom quota even with Dylan Hartley out. The England Rugby squad wouldn't be the England Rugby squad without lots of Kiwi Poms.
