2019 Rugby Championship
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@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
You can have an issue with the DV charge but that is another kettle of fish entirely.
Thorn left both the code and played rep footy for Australia in the midst of his AB career. Reece was going to play so pro code in Ireland. He likely would have been guided through their poaching pathway and played in emerald in four years - but he may also have returned back to the south pacific homesick after 6 months.
That said, given your username I am going to have to concede the point that you probably have a better knowledge on all things disloyalty to NZ and the game of rugby union.
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Nepia said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
If Thorn was charged for DV which forced him to stay in NZ then yes it would be similar. But it’s not. Thorn was committed to NZ rugby when he played rugby.
You can have an issue with the DV charge but that is another kettle of fish entirely.
Thorn left both the code and played rep footy for Australia in the midst of his AB career. Reece was going to play so pro code in Ireland. He likely would have been guided through their poaching pathway and played in emerald in four years - but he may also have returned back to the south pacific homesick after 6 months.
That said, given your username I am going to have to concede the point that you probably have a better knowledge on all things disloyalty to NZ and the game of rugby union.
Now you've just gone straight away weird.
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More a broad statement than a specific understanding of the intimate details of his case (or if he should be picked for the ABs), but people deserve a second chance to atone for relatively minor crimes. Which is why the diversion system exists. If it there is recidivism then there is a deeper issue but if we believe in rehabilitation then we have to allow someone in a situation like Reece to make amends and improve himself.
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@cgrant And Brad Shields and Ben Teo'o too.
Good to see Eddie and Cueball keep up the Kiwi Pom quota even with Dylan Hartley out. The England Rugby squad wouldn't be the England Rugby squad without lots of Kiwi Poms.
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Have heard that SBW re injured the same knee at training yesterday and is out of the first test..Got a lot of time for the guy..but is this now becoming a risk ..?,seems a bridge to far to me.
@Steven-Harris said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Have heard that SBW re injured the same knee at training yesterday and is out of the first test..Got a lot of time for the guy..but is this now becoming a risk ..?,seems a bridge to far to me.
I expect if SBW makes the RWC squad Laumape or whoever misses out will be taking a month long holiday in Japan some time in September/October...
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I'd think being found guilty of wife ashing in a court would be TERRIBLE
Missing out on a pro contract paying better coin wold be TERRIBLE
Having the incidence reported ad nausiem would be TERRIBLE
I'm no fan of reactionaries and puritans
He committed a crime and was dealt with at the time
As far as I'm concerned he is forgiven and life goes on
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'd think being found guilty of wife ashing in a court would be TERRIBLE
Missing out on a pro contract paying better coin wold be TERRIBLE
Having the incidence reported ad nausiem would be TERRIBLE
I'm no fan of reactionaries and puritans
He committed a crime and was dealt with at the time
As far as I'm concerned he is forgiven and life goes on
That's great. You keep focusing on the poor perpetrator of the crime. Woe is him, indeed.
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I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
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I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
@Kirwan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
That's a fair summary. I'm just a bit tired of all the sympathy for Reece in this situation.
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@Kirwan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
That's a fair summary. I'm just a bit tired of all the sympathy for Reece in this situation.
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@Kirwan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
That's a fair summary. I'm just a bit tired of all the sympathy for Reece in this situation.
@Smudge said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
That's a fair summary. I'm just a bit tired of all the sympathy for Reece in this situation.
I don;t think many folks feel sorry for Reece
He;s paid a high price for his actions already
We have a Criminal Justice System and that;s good enough for me
Not interested in knee jerkers & pearl clutchers
Sivivatu and Savea were great All Black Wingers
TBH I don't give a fuck about the fact they both bashed their wives
Savea is still with his lady as is Reece Both were dealt with in courts
That's good enough for me
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@Smudge said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
That's a fair summary. I'm just a bit tired of all the sympathy for Reece in this situation.
I don;t think many folks feel sorry for Reece
He;s paid a high price for his actions already
We have a Criminal Justice System and that;s good enough for me
Not interested in knee jerkers & pearl clutchers
Sivivatu and Savea were great All Black Wingers
TBH I don't give a fuck about the fact they both bashed their wives
Savea is still with his lady as is Reece Both were dealt with in courts
That's good enough for me
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Smudge said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
That's a fair summary. I'm just a bit tired of all the sympathy for Reece in this situation.
I don;t think many folks feel sorry for Reece
He;s paid a high price for his actions already
We have a Criminal Justice System and that;s good enough for me
Not interested in knee jerkers & pearl clutchers
Sivivatu and Savea were great All Black Wingers
> TBH I don't give a fuck about the fact they both bashed their wives
Savea is still with his lady as is Reece Both were dealt with in courts
That's good enough for me
Was with you until that line. We should care about anybody bashing their wives, be they are rugby player or not. NZ has a poor domestic violence record, and we should be pressuring our community to be better than that.
Once it's dealt with in the courts, I agree there shouldn't be further sanctions, people need to learn from their mistakes.
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@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Smudge said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
That's a fair summary. I'm just a bit tired of all the sympathy for Reece in this situation.
I don;t think many folks feel sorry for Reece
He;s paid a high price for his actions already
We have a Criminal Justice System and that;s good enough for me
Not interested in knee jerkers & pearl clutchers
Sivivatu and Savea were great All Black Wingers
> TBH I don't give a fuck about the fact they both bashed their wives
Savea is still with his lady as is Reece Both were dealt with in courts
That's good enough for me
Was with you until that line. We should care about anybody bashing their wives, be they are rugby player or not. NZ has a poor domestic violence record, and we should be pressuring our community to be better than that.
Once it's dealt with in the courts, I agree there shouldn't be further sanctions, people need to learn from their mistakes.
I'm, talking about Rugby players here
Not expecting much from them off the field TBH
If he was a Politician, Doctor Police Officer etc then I'd be concerned
If Reece delivers on the field for Crusaders & ABs everyone will forget the incident with his lady very quickly
I;m fine with that
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I'm, talking about Rugby players here
Not expecting much from them off the field TBH
If he was a Politician, Doctor Police Officer etc then I'd be concerned
If Reece delivers on the field for Crusaders & ABs everyone will forget the incident with his lady very quickly
I;m fine with that
@Jaguares4real so it's ok for rugby players to bash thier wives, but not Politicians?
So ok for female rugby players to bash thier husbands...what if husband is a rugby player too, or a politician, is he allowed to fight back?
I am sure you dont mean it like that, but thats how it is coming across.
No one will forget the incident, the fact Savea and Siviatus similar indiscretions are bought up proves that.
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@Jaguares4real so it's ok for rugby players to bash thier wives, but not Politicians?
So ok for female rugby players to bash thier husbands...what if husband is a rugby player too, or a politician, is he allowed to fight back?
I am sure you dont mean it like that, but thats how it is coming across.
No one will forget the incident, the fact Savea and Siviatus similar indiscretions are bought up proves that.
@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Jaguares4real so it's ok for rugby players to bash thier wives, but not Politicians?
So ok for female rugby players to bash thier husbands...what if husband is a rugby player too?
I am sure you dont mean it like that, but thats how it is coming across.
No one will forget the incident, the fact Savea and Siviatus similar indiscretions are bought up proves that.
I don't care is different from saying it's okay
A National Politician has a much greater potential impact on your life than a bloody rugby player
Rugby is a sport a form of entertainment Fans don't go Player X is a wonderful role model or Player Y is a dickhead off the field
ALL about producing on the field
The incidents Savea & Sivivatu were involved were wrong but an insignificant to the point of irrelevant aspects of their rugby career
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@Smudge said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I'm not super comfortable with Reece being selected either, but I'm also not comfortable with ending someone's career over one incident that didn't result in a conviction.
We have courts for that, social media mobs are not how we want to apply justice.
If he does it again all bets are off though. He should have his contract ripped up.
That's a fair summary. I'm just a bit tired of all the sympathy for Reece in this situation.
I don;t think many folks feel sorry for Reece
He;s paid a high price for his actions already
We have a Criminal Justice System and that;s good enough for me
Not interested in knee jerkers & pearl clutchers
Sivivatu and Savea were great All Black Wingers
TBH I don't give a fuck about the fact they both bashed their wives
Savea is still with his lady as is Reece Both were dealt with in courts
That's good enough for me
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Savea is still with his lady
His wife is not the same one.
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@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Jaguares4real so it's ok for rugby players to bash thier wives, but not Politicians?
So ok for female rugby players to bash thier husbands...what if husband is a rugby player too?
I am sure you dont mean it like that, but thats how it is coming across.
No one will forget the incident, the fact Savea and Siviatus similar indiscretions are bought up proves that.
I don't care is different from saying it's okay
A National Politician has a much greater potential impact on your life than a bloody rugby player
Rugby is a sport a form of entertainment Fans don't go Player X is a wonderful role model or Player Y is a dickhead off the field
ALL about producing on the field
The incidents Savea & Sivivatu were involved were wrong but an insignificant to the point of irrelevant aspects of their rugby career
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Rugby is a sport a form of entertainment Fans don't go Player X is a wonderful role model or Player Y is a dickhead off the field
No, they look to all of them as role models, whether they like it or not.
