2020 All Blacks Squad
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Potential NZ "B" squad for 2020 (uncapped players only ?) :
Props : Ross, O'Neill, Fidow, Tuilamo (he was injured this year but his size could guarantee a seat there)
Hookers : Taukeiaho, Makalio
Locks : IWL, Franklin, Scrafton, Whetton
Loose forwards : Robinson, Sotutu, Gibson, Douglas, Havili, TBN
Scrumhalves : Fakatava, Judd (leaving ?)
1st Fives : Perofeta, Trask, McClutchie
2nd Fives : Nankivell, Faiane, Walden
Centres : Tupaea, Thompson
Wings : Alaimalo, L. Fainganuuku, Rayasi, Lam (Nareki and Clarke with the 7s)
Full backs : ?????????? (Stevenson, Narawa, McKay, Trainor : no great option there)@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Potential NZ "B" squad for 2020 (uncapped players only ?) :
Props : Ross, O'Neill, Fidow, Tuilamo (he was injured this year but his size could guarantee a seat there)
Hookers : Taukeiaho, Makalio
Locks : IWL, Franklin, Scrafton, Whetton
Loose forwards : Robinson, Sotutu, Gibson, Douglas, Havili, TBN
Scrumhalves : Fakatava, Judd (leaving ?)
1st Fives : Perofeta, Trask, McClutchie
2nd Fives : Nankivell, Faiane, Walden
Centres : Tupaea, Thompson
Wings : Alaimalo, L. Fainganuuku, Rayasi, Lam (Nareki and Clarke with the 7s)
Full backs : ?????????? (Stevenson, Narawa, McKay, Trainor : no great option there)Will Jordan for fullback (or wing). Bryn Hall at halfback. Ethan Blackadder in the loose forwards.
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I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
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@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
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@Nogusta said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Anyone hear about the NZRFU bringing back the Junior All Blacks next year?
Would be a good idea. They could play some European club sides and the Pacific Nations Cup teams.
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@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
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I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
One of the interview questions for the prospective All Black coaches should be "How are you going to help develop Akira Ioane into the world-class player we all know he could be?"
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@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
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@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Potential NZ "B" squad for 2020 (uncapped players only ?) :
Props : Ross, O'Neill, Fidow, Tuilamo (he was injured this year but his size could guarantee a seat there)
Hookers : Taukeiaho, Makalio
Locks : IWL, Franklin, Scrafton, Whetton
Loose forwards : Robinson, Sotutu, Gibson, Douglas, Havili, TBN
Scrumhalves : Fakatava, Judd (leaving ?)
1st Fives : Perofeta, Trask, McClutchie
2nd Fives : Nankivell, Faiane, Walden
Centres : Tupaea, Thompson
Wings : Alaimalo, L. Fainganuuku, Rayasi, Lam (Nareki and Clarke with the 7s)
Full backs : ?????????? (Stevenson, Narawa, McKay, Trainor : no great option there)Will Jordan for fullback (or wing). Bryn Hall at halfback. Ethan Blackadder in the loose forwards.
@Cyclops said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Potential NZ "B" squad for 2020 (uncapped players only ?) :
Props : Ross, O'Neill, Fidow, Tuilamo (he was injured this year but his size could guarantee a seat there)
Hookers : Taukeiaho, Makalio
Locks : IWL, Franklin, Scrafton, Whetton
Loose forwards : Robinson, Sotutu, Gibson, Douglas, Havili, TBN
Scrumhalves : Fakatava, Judd (leaving ?)
1st Fives : Perofeta, Trask, McClutchie
2nd Fives : Nankivell, Faiane, Walden
Centres : Tupaea, Thompson
Wings : Alaimalo, L. Fainganuuku, Rayasi, Lam (Nareki and Clarke with the 7s)
Full backs : ?????????? (Stevenson, Narawa, McKay, Trainor : no great option there)Will Jordan for fullback (or wing). Bryn Hall at halfback. Ethan Blackadder in the loose forwards.
Thanks ! I forgot Hall and Blackadder. Will Jordan should be in the AB squad.
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@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
One of the interview questions for the prospective All Black coaches should be "How are you going to help develop Akira Ioane into the world-class player we all know he could be?"
@sparky said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
One of the interview questions for the prospective All Black coaches should be "How are you going to help develop Akira Ioane into the world-class player we all know he could be?"
Nope.
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@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
One of the interview questions for the prospective All Black coaches should be "How are you going to help develop Akira Ioane into the world-class player we all know he could be?"
@sparky said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
One of the interview questions for the prospective All Black coaches should be "How are you going to help develop Akira Ioane into the world-class player we all know he could be?"
How about asking Akira that question himself?
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Possible All Blacks 23 for 2020:
- Joe Moody (Superb this year)
- Liam Coltman (Needs to improve throw, but better all round game than Codie Taylor now)
- Nepo Laulala (Excellent this year)
- Pari Pari Parkinson (Raw Talent) or Sam Whitelock (once rested)
- Scott Barrett ( Best NZ Lock at RWC
- Luke Jacobson (So much potential)
- Sam Cane (First name on the team sheet)
- Ardie Savea ( Best AB in 2018 and 2019) or Akira Ioane (if he can deliver on his potential)
- Aaron Smith (Best pass in the game)
- Beauden Barrett (Needs to play in best position)
- Will Jordan ( Going to be a superstar) or Reiko Ioane (If can recapture his form)
- ALB (Played well throughout 2019)
- Jack Goodhue (If he can stay injury free)
- Sevu Reece (Had a superb 2019)
- Damian McKenzie (Wheels from the back)
- Dane Coles (Still much to offer)
- Atu Moli (So much potential)
- Ofa Tu'ungafasi
- Patrick Tuitupolou
- Dalton Papali'i (Another one with big potential)
- TJP or Folau Fakatava (Looks an outstanding prospect)
- Richie Mo'unga or Josh Ioane (Both deserve game time)
- Ngani Laumape (power off the bench)
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Possible All Blacks 23 for 2020:
- Joe Moody (Superb this year)
- Liam Coltman (Needs to improve throw, but better all round game than Codie Taylor now)
- Nepo Laulala (Excellent this year)
- Pari Pari Parkinson (Raw Talent) or Sam Whitelock (once rested)
- Scott Barrett ( Best NZ Lock at RWC
- Luke Jacobson (So much potential)
- Sam Cane (First name on the team sheet)
- Ardie Savea ( Best AB in 2018 and 2019) or Akira Ioane (if he can deliver on his potential)
- Aaron Smith (Best pass in the game)
- Beauden Barrett (Needs to play in best position)
- Will Jordan ( Going to be a superstar) or Reiko Ioane (If can recapture his form)
- ALB (Played well throughout 2019)
- Jack Goodhue (If he can stay injury free)
- Sevu Reece (Had a superb 2019)
- Damian McKenzie (Wheels from the back)
- Dane Coles (Still much to offer)
- Atu Moli (So much potential)
- Ofa Tu'ungafasi
- Patrick Tuitupolou
- Dalton Papali'i (Another one with big potential)
- TJP or Folau Fakatava (Looks an outstanding prospect)
- Richie Mo'unga or Josh Ioane (Both deserve game time)
- Ngani Laumape (power off the bench)
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@sparky actually you raise a good point at hooker - Taylor was really subdued this year whereas last year he was an adequate replacement for Coles and was looking to overtake him. Another one that fell off a cliff this year.
@Bones Codie Taylor was superb in 2017 and 2018 but had a drop off in form this year. He did okay for the Crusaders and played well against Ireland, but apart from that was pretty anonymous for the ABs this year.
He had a poor game (under lots of pressure) against England.
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@Bones Codie Taylor was superb in 2017 and 2018 but had a drop off in form this year. He did okay for the Crusaders and played well against Ireland, but apart from that was pretty anonymous for the ABs this year.
He had a poor game (under lots of pressure) against England.
@sparky still got a lot of learning until he finds good potential
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2nd Five is going to be really interesting. We don't have the combination of hard running, size, and distribution now. I prefer ALB at 13 at test level. These are the contenders:
TJ Faiane
Alex Nankivell
Ngani Laumape
Rob ThompsonWho's going to play 12 for the Crusaders?
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2nd Five is going to be really interesting. We don't have the combination of hard running, size, and distribution now. I prefer ALB at 13 at test level. These are the contenders:
TJ Faiane
Alex Nankivell
Ngani Laumape
Rob ThompsonWho's going to play 12 for the Crusaders?
@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
2nd Five is going to be really interesting. We don't have the combination of hard running, size, and distribution now. I prefer ALB at 13 at test level. These are the contenders:
TJ Faiane
Alex Nankivell
Ngani Laumape
Rob ThompsonWho's going to play 12 for the Crusaders?
Havillie?
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2nd Five is going to be really interesting. We don't have the combination of hard running, size, and distribution now. I prefer ALB at 13 at test level. These are the contenders:
TJ Faiane
Alex Nankivell
Ngani Laumape
Rob ThompsonWho's going to play 12 for the Crusaders?
@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
2nd Five is going to be really interesting. We don't have the combination of hard running, size, and distribution now. I prefer ALB at 13 at test level. These are the contenders:
TJ Faiane
Alex Nankivell
Ngani Laumape
Rob ThompsonWho's going to play 12 for the Crusaders?
Maybe one of those guys is a contender, as a back up to the long term ALB / Goodhue pairing.
