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    Tell me it's April already ...

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-04/india-wants-quicker-contest-of-10-over-90-minute/103285160

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      Cricket South Africa remove their Under 19 Cricket Captain simply because he is Jewish. Appalling racism and deeply shameful for the self-styled Rainbow Nation. I hope the ICC and other sporting bodies take swift action.

      https://vxtwitter.com/lawrencebailey0/status/1745742280114180324

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        Given that the ICC threatened to suspend Khawaja for wanting to express sympathy for the civilian casualties in Gaza, Teeger's comments seem to be pretty comparable, and I assume he refused to back down. Similar to some of the bans for Russian athletes supporting the war in Ukraine too.

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          Tell me it's April already ...

          https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-04/india-wants-quicker-contest-of-10-over-90-minute/103285160

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          @booboo said in Other Cricket:

          Tell me it's April already ...

          https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-04/india-wants-quicker-contest-of-10-over-90-minute/103285160

          Why stop there ? I reckon T1 would be terrific. I could eat a hot dog or a punnet of chips in a single over.

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          • CyclopsC Cyclops

            Given that the ICC threatened to suspend Khawaja for wanting to express sympathy for the civilian casualties in Gaza, Teeger's comments seem to be pretty comparable, and I assume he refused to back down. Similar to some of the bans for Russian athletes supporting the war in Ukraine too.

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            @Cyclops Teegar faced no discipline for his comments. They were made before the Israeli attack on Gaza. They were made in the aftermath of the October 7th pogrom to express thanks to the Israeli army for keeping his relatives safe.

            Teegar has been deposed because people are now threatening him. They are threatening because he is Jewish. Shame on Cricket South Africa, Saffa sports fans and the South African nation for not standing up for one of their own.

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            • CyclopsC Cyclops

              Given that the ICC threatened to suspend Khawaja for wanting to express sympathy for the civilian casualties in Gaza, Teeger's comments seem to be pretty comparable, and I assume he refused to back down. Similar to some of the bans for Russian athletes supporting the war in Ukraine too.

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              #1153

              @Cyclops Why on earth should he "back down" for expressing his gratitude to people who were risking their lives at the time to protect his relatives from murder and rape by terrorists? Since when did we expect a 18/19 year old kid to be some sort of political spokesman anyway?

              He's been sacked because of his race. He should be apologised to and reinstated immediately.

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                #1154

                I'm trying really, really hard to see the logic and compassion behind the decision that because a Jewish young man was being threatened for their safety that somehow stripping him of the captaincy, putting out a statement and making an international news story was going to make him or anyone else more safe. But I can't.

                And don't give me any of that "This Is Africa" shit. Cricket South Africa is shaming sport.

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                • CyclopsC Cyclops

                  Given that the ICC threatened to suspend Khawaja for wanting to express sympathy for the civilian casualties in Gaza, Teeger's comments seem to be pretty comparable, and I assume he refused to back down. Similar to some of the bans for Russian athletes supporting the war in Ukraine too.

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                  booboo
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                  #1155

                  @Cyclops said in Other Cricket:

                  Given that the ICC threatened to suspend Khawaja for wanting to express sympathy for the civilian casualties in Gaza, Teeger's comments seem to be pretty comparable, and I assume he refused to back down. Similar to some of the bans for Russian athletes supporting the war in Ukraine too.

                  What did he say?
                  When?
                  Genuine questions.

                  Was it during an ICC sanctioned event?

                  On a more general note why is society scared of the thugs? One group wants to protest, others want express a contrary opinion. Teegar's opinions run counter to the thugs. Who is threatening violence? Teegar? "The Jews"?

                  I can see this coming up with the planned Palestine flag waving rentamob at the Basin Reserve. If someone perchance wants to show an Israel flag to show their feelings I'm prepared to bet on who is getting kicked out for inciting violence.

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                  • boobooB booboo

                    @Cyclops said in Other Cricket:

                    Given that the ICC threatened to suspend Khawaja for wanting to express sympathy for the civilian casualties in Gaza, Teeger's comments seem to be pretty comparable, and I assume he refused to back down. Similar to some of the bans for Russian athletes supporting the war in Ukraine too.

                    What did he say?
                    When?
                    Genuine questions.

                    Was it during an ICC sanctioned event?

                    On a more general note why is society scared of the thugs? One group wants to protest, others want express a contrary opinion. Teegar's opinions run counter to the thugs. Who is threatening violence? Teegar? "The Jews"?

                    I can see this coming up with the planned Palestine flag waving rentamob at the Basin Reserve. If someone perchance wants to show an Israel flag to show their feelings I'm prepared to bet on who is getting kicked out for inciting violence.

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                    #1156

                    @booboo This explains the context.

                    https://unherd.com/thepost/stripping-a-jewish-cricketer-of-captaincy-is-a-new-low/

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                      https://twitter.com/SuperSmashNZ/status/1746038239662674211?t=BWR0OeyCrjjDnp3T2ggN5w&s=19

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                      • boobooB booboo

                        @Cyclops said in Other Cricket:

                        Given that the ICC threatened to suspend Khawaja for wanting to express sympathy for the civilian casualties in Gaza, Teeger's comments seem to be pretty comparable, and I assume he refused to back down. Similar to some of the bans for Russian athletes supporting the war in Ukraine too.

                        What did he say?
                        When?
                        Genuine questions.

                        Was it during an ICC sanctioned event?

                        On a more general note why is society scared of the thugs? One group wants to protest, others want express a contrary opinion. Teegar's opinions run counter to the thugs. Who is threatening violence? Teegar? "The Jews"?

                        I can see this coming up with the planned Palestine flag waving rentamob at the Basin Reserve. If someone perchance wants to show an Israel flag to show their feelings I'm prepared to bet on who is getting kicked out for inciting violence.

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                        @booboo

                        To be clear, my issue is saying this is 'because he's a jew'. It's not, it's because he's spoken in support of Israeli soldiers. I'd only read headlines when I first replied, and am happy to agree that being stood down as captain is a massive overreaction given the broader context of his actions (the timing, exact wording etc).

                        I just have a blind spot for the increasing automatic use of 'antisemitism' as a defence for the conduct of Israel. Some personal background - I am Jewish and my grandfather was a German Jewish refugee, who was fortunate to get out before things got really bad, but who lost wider family. The exact nature of Israel's conduct is a political debate that I'm not interested in having (I think it's so emotive that it's pointless online), but I think it's extremely unproductive to just resort to 'its antisemitism to criticise Israel' rather than taking a more principled position based on the exact actions of Israel, Israeli politicians, Israeli settlers, Palestinians civilians, Harmas and the PA, especially when we're seeing a renewed wave of genuine antisemitic neo-nazis around the world.

                        Apologies, that's probably too much politics. Let's just agree that it's shit for a kid (under 19) to get caught up in this whole thing?

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                          https://twitter.com/SuperSmashNZ/status/1746038239662674211?t=BWR0OeyCrjjDnp3T2ggN5w&s=19

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                          #1159

                          @Smudge said in Other Cricket:

                          https://twitter.com/SuperSmashNZ/status/1746038239662674211?t=BWR0OeyCrjjDnp3T2ggN5w&s=19

                          That was one of the best boundary riding catches I've seen!

                          The final over of that game was quite interesting. The captain was mic'd up so you could hear him and Logan van Beek strategizing on how to try and manage the over (spoiler alert: it went horribly wrong). There have been quite a few times the captain has been mic'd up in the super smash this year, I used to find it a pointless gimmick, but that's actually quite insightful. I can't imagine it'll last, especially with Kelly (the captain) dropping an f-bomb.

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                            IMG_0548.jpeg

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                            • nzzpN Online
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                              nzzp
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                              #1161

                              India England is good fun. India 106/2. Anderson is timeless.
                              Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.
                              Fun to watch.

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                                India England is good fun. India 106/2. Anderson is timeless.
                                Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.
                                Fun to watch.

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                                #1162

                                @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

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                                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                  @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                  Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                  They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

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                                  nzzp
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                                  #1163

                                  @Chris-B said in Other Cricket:

                                  @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                  Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                  They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

                                  He looks like he should average 50 ... just gets himself out consistently. Weird.

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                                    @Chris-B said in Other Cricket:

                                    @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                    Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                    They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

                                    He looks like he should average 50 ... just gets himself out consistently. Weird.

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                                    @nzzp Averaging over 60 in ODIs....

                                    Gets lots of starts that he doesn't convert - lots of scores between 10 and 30.

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                                    • nzzpN nzzp

                                      @Chris-B said in Other Cricket:

                                      @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                      Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                      They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

                                      He looks like he should average 50 ... just gets himself out consistently. Weird.

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                                      KiwiMurph
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                                      #1165

                                      @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                      @Chris-B said in Other Cricket:

                                      @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                      Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                      They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

                                      He looks like he should average 50 ... just gets himself out consistently. Weird.

                                      Indian Stephen Fleming

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                                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                        @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                        @Chris-B said in Other Cricket:

                                        @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                        Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                        They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

                                        He looks like he should average 50 ... just gets himself out consistently. Weird.

                                        Indian Stephen Fleming

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                                        MN5
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                                        #1166

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Other Cricket:

                                        @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                        @Chris-B said in Other Cricket:

                                        @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                        Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                        They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

                                        He looks like he should average 50 ... just gets himself out consistently. Weird.

                                        Indian Stephen Fleming

                                        Michael Bevan more like.

                                        Fleming was a very good test player

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                                        • MN5M MN5

                                          @KiwiMurph said in Other Cricket:

                                          @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                          @Chris-B said in Other Cricket:

                                          @nzzp said in Other Cricket:

                                          Gill looks so good, and yet average is literally average.

                                          They must be running short on patience with Shubman in test cricket.

                                          He looks like he should average 50 ... just gets himself out consistently. Weird.

                                          Indian Stephen Fleming

                                          Michael Bevan more like.

                                          Fleming was a very good test player

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                                          KiwiMurph
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1167

                                          @MN5 said in Other Cricket:

                                          Fleming was a very good test player

                                          With a test average under 40...

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