2019 Rugby World Cup

[ACT Crusader]

@pukunui likewise the ABs were tipped by many to win that as well. Dry powder and all that. Two new wingers and a more settled back row.

[pukunui]

@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui newsflash...we beat SA and they thumped Italy.

So no need to worry about your fantasy world where we lost to SA then they turn around and lose to Italy.

In the real world, yes Italy was a 5 points guaranteed (Parisse says I am disrespecting Italy) but I was talking about your fantasy world where Italy were on fire after beating a Bok side that rolled us.

I get that. But i hate it when people have a whinge about something only when it screws them over but are ok with it if it is someone else. This situation should never have happened in the first place.

And again back in hypothetical land. I would never put it past the Boks to play well against us then be utter shit the next week against someone else. They do that every year in TRC.

[SammyC]

@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui newsflash...we beat SA and they thumped Italy.

So no need to worry about your fantasy world where we lost to SA then they turn around and lose to Italy.

In the real world, yes Italy was a 5 points guaranteed (Parisse says I am disrespecting Italy) but I was talking about your fantasy world where Italy were on fire after beating a Bok side that rolled us.

Exactly!

Don’t worry about it, it was never going to happen.

Apparently people are going to die as a result of this typhoon. Rugby is just a game.

[jegga]

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

[pukunui]

@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui likewise the ABs were tipped by many to win that as well. Dry powder and all that. Two new wingers and a more settled back row.

And? That doesn’t mean that the Boks had no chance of beating us. The results between us over the last few years have been bloody close.

[pukunui]

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

The whole Northern hemisphere rugby media for one. Our last game against them was a draw.
Some very short memories on this thread.

[Machpants]

An interesting point, na throw away line in the Torygraph, was that 'preparations to move the England France game were well underway' when it was realised it was going to have to be two, possibly three, games moved. That was impossible. So to make it consistent they canned them both, and have no contingency for the third. So I guess the much vaunted contingency plans talked about pre cup, if this article is correct, only really covered one game getting into trouble.

[jegga]

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

The whole Northern hemisphere rugby media for one. Our last game against them was a draw.
Some very short memories on this thread.

Ah. For a minute there I thought you meant people who’s opinions were actually worth something.

[pukunui]

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

The whole Northern hemisphere rugby media for one. Our last game against them was a draw.
Some very short memories on this thread.

Ah. For a minute there I thought you meant people who’s opinions were actually worth something.

Maybe predicting wasn’t the right word for them. “Hoping like hell” would probably be more appropriate.

[ACT Crusader]

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

The whole Northern hemisphere rugby media for one. Our last game against them was a draw.
Some very short memories on this thread.

Don’t think the memories are short, just questioning your theory/predictions.

[antipodean]

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

An interesting point, na throw away line in the Torygraph, was that 'preparations to move the England France game were well underway' when it was realised it was going to have to be two, possibly three, games moved. That was impossible. So to make it consistent they canned them both, and have no contingency for the third. So I guess the much vaunted contingency plans talked about pre cup, if this article is correct, only really covered one game getting into trouble.

Which makes sense because I challenge anyone to develop a scenario to fix this weekend's problems.

[taniwharugby]

@antipodean Brodie wades out and scares the bejeebus out of Hagibis!!

[jegga]

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

An interesting point, na throw away line in the Torygraph, was that 'preparations to move the England France game were well underway' when it was realised it was going to have to be two, possibly three, games moved. That was impossible. So to make it consistent they canned them both, and have no contingency for the third. So I guess the much vaunted contingency plans talked about pre cup, if this article is correct, only really covered one game getting into trouble.

Which makes sense because I challenge anyone to develop a scenario to fix this weekend's problems.

Yeah it’s easy for the internet experts to proclaim they could do better, this is the worst possible result for wr and I doubt it was an easy call to make

[pukunui]

@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

The whole Northern hemisphere rugby media for one. Our last game against them was a draw.
Some very short memories on this thread.

Don’t think the memories are short, just questioning your theory/predictions.

Ok, one last time.

• Boks beating us in the first game. Not unthinkable. We drew this year, they also beat us last year.

• Boks then losing to Italy. Also not unthinkable but less likely. Boks lost to Japan at the last RWC, they then ran us to within a penalty in the Semi. They also lost to Italy in 2016.

• ABs vs Italy being canned for weather. Instead of being any easy BP win for ABs. Look at the stats i posted. The less likely outcome would be if the ABs missed out on a BP given their record over last 20 years.

Im not making these points to give sympathy to italy.
Im saying there would be MUCH more outrage if we were put in the position Scotland could find themselves in. It is hypocritical to say meh just because someone else is getting fucked THIS TIME.

[pukunui]

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

An interesting point, na throw away line in the Torygraph, was that 'preparations to move the England France game were well underway' when it was realised it was going to have to be two, possibly three, games moved. That was impossible. So to make it consistent they canned them both, and have no contingency for the third. So I guess the much vaunted contingency plans talked about pre cup, if this article is correct, only really covered one game getting into trouble.

Which makes sense because I challenge anyone to develop a scenario to fix this weekend's problems.

Play the next day? Change venue a couple of days in advance? Extend the group stages by a week to allow for reserve days (before it starts obviously)?
There are plenty of options. They chose to just cancel games instead.

Now we are hearing about some sort of contingency plans despite it being written in the rules that they can’t play on a different day.

[antipodean]

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Im not making these points to give sympathy to italy.
Im saying there would be MUCH more outrage if we were put in the position Scotland could find themselves in. It is hypocritical to say meh just because someone else is getting fucked THIS TIME.

[antipodean]

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

An interesting point, na throw away line in the Torygraph, was that 'preparations to move the England France game were well underway' when it was realised it was going to have to be two, possibly three, games moved. That was impossible. So to make it consistent they canned them both, and have no contingency for the third. So I guess the much vaunted contingency plans talked about pre cup, if this article is correct, only really covered one game getting into trouble.

Which makes sense because I challenge anyone to develop a scenario to fix this weekend's problems.

Play the next day? Change venue a couple of days in advance? Extend the group stages by a week to allow for reserve days (before it starts obviously)?
There are plenty of options. They chose to just cancel games instead.

Play the next day where? Change the venues to where? How in the living fuck do you think it's possible to simply extend the RWC by a week?

They're options in your mind because you've no concept of the logistical difficulties in hosting such a tournament.

I don't want to be a dick about this, but your solutions work because they assume far too much and are oblivious to the realities. The stadia were provisionally booked for those dates when the bid was made and upon receiving the hosting, they were booked for those dates. They aren't all held open for the duration of the RWC.

Every participating nation booked accommodation and got access to training facilities years ago. Hotels are booked. Transport now is becoming congested and booked solid as people make plans to deal with the typhoon. Tomorrow most flights won't happen and the trains won't run. How are you going to get to this "other place"?

The compounding factor in all of this is it might have been possible if it was just one game. But there are too many pieces on the board to move at once.

It's like people don't think they haven't been in a war room losing sleep trying to make it work.

[mariner4life]

And this is the Japanese, losing face is the worst fucking thing ever.

[Snowy]

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

It's like people don't think they haven't been in a war room losing sleep trying to make it work.

They probably haven't as they made the rules that they can't do anything quite some time ago.

Typhoon - game over.

[MiketheSnow]

@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

It's like people don't think they haven't been in a war room losing sleep trying to make it work.

They probably haven't as they made the rules that they can't do anything quite some time ago.

Typhoon - game over.

It's called triage, and they most certainly thought about it way before any team set foot on Japanese soil.

With multiple matches taking place on a rolling basis I'm sure they considered the postponement and/or moving matches to a different location scenarios for single & multiple matches before taking the difficult decision to say matches would be cancelled, it would be a 0-0 draw, and both teams would get 2 points each.

And here's the important part which most people are missing

BEFORE ANY TEAM SET FOOT ON JAPANESE SOIL

All the teams agreed to this, and no-one (to my knowledge) voiced a complaint.

The Japanese organising team and World Rugby are in my opinion not cancelling matches willy nilly; not making decisions too early or too late.

They're taking the appropriate action at a time which is safe and logistically feasible.

To fans of rugby and/or the teams involved the decision will be

1. Wrong
2. Right
3. Early
4. Late
5. Fair
6. Unfair
7. All of the above and more

Some teams will be 'screwed' by this act of nature, some will benefit.

Hopefully no one will die and there's not too much disruption for the Japanese community and economy.