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@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
Dier the Liar was another example of the Aussie win at all costs attitude
To put this in some context though, Dyer never played for Australia again. In 1978 Andy Haden still had 7 more years in the All Black jersey.
It pains me to defend Haden but the penalty was against Geoff Wheel on Frank Oliver . I know there probably isn’t a single Welsh rugby fan that accepts that though in much the same way Irish rugby fans think Umaga and Mealamu deliberately took out BOD because he disrespected the Haka/was such a threat .
They both dived, Haden has admitted that. It was pre-meditated.
Oliver, and Quittenden and Haden, just have the good fortune that Wheel also used his elbow. We cheated.
As the article says they thought the Welsh had been cheating their arses off in the lineout and getting away with it . Then they got called on it and it cost them the game.
Try to justify it if you like, but still a disgraceful act by Haden.
Define disgraceful.
Play acting
Breaking a guy's jaw and ending his careerHmm
Whats your view on Meads/Catchpole then?
In the 1970s, if you're getting roughed up in the lineouts there were 2 acceptable methods at the time. Counter-biffo, or tactical short lineouts (as Mourie did the year before in Paris 77).
Never before or since has diving out of a lineout been acceptable in rugby. But especially back then.
Can't comment on Meads-Catchpole. I can only base it on what I've read, and Meads is adamant there was no malice in it. Given his known penchant for on field brutality I'm inclined to think he'd own up if there was. Beyond that I've never seen the incident but plenty of Aussies who did, and plenty who didn't, think it was pretty low.
As for 1978, to my mind the act of violence far out bads a little embarrassing gamesmanship.
Was Meads Catchpole actually televised? Because if we are going off recollections of the few people who were able to see it from the stands when it occurred 50 years ago I think perhaps their memory of it might be unreliable/tainted .
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I remember reading , may have been a meads book ,
in the first half Catchpole was running the ball at the AB forwards and taking the ball into the ruck to set it up ,
AB coach was pissed off at his forwards for allowing him so easily to do so ( was it Fed Allen ? ) and said to the players at halftime ( not word for word ) make him wish he never ran a ball into an All black forward pack again.
Like waving a red flag to Meads at the time.
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@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
(Out of interest how old are you? Im 50 so 12 in at the time)
I wasn't even born at the time - only 32. First memories of it 10th anniversary (?) when Paul Holmes got Trevor Chappell and McKechnie together for an interview together for the first time which was a big deal at the time...
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I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
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@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
Definitely on tele. Not sure if the whole game or just the last hour or so (which they used to do).
I recall we were out for a family drive listening on radio to the Snedden catch, and thinking bad things about the Aussies and umpires Cronin and Weser earlier in the match.
One of our cushions I'd been lying on in front of the tele was grievously assaulted post match. Got a right kicking it did.
If it wasn't on tele, in prime time (can't recall if it was Saturday or Sunday) it would not have gad the same effect on our colkective psyches.
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@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
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@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
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@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
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@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
that sounds close to spot on as i recall it ,
I was in Melb for the 82/83 tri series with England . I went to a couple of games , i remember being there beating the aussies well in a Saturday day game with edgar and Wright getting us off to a big start . those were the days when you could walk in with a chilli bin full of beer . Funny times.
We were particularly good that series , unfortunately lost Hadlee to injury right on the finals and possibly let the aussies off the hook . -
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
that sounds close to spot on as i recall it ,
I was in Melb for the 82/83 tri series with England . I went to a couple of games , i remember being there beating the aussies well in a Saturday day game with edgar and Wright getting us off to a big start . those were the days when you could walk in with a chilli bin full of beer . Funny times.
We were particularly good that series , unfortunately lost Hadlee to injury right on the finals and possibly let the aussies off the hook .That was the series David Gower was like a batting superman. We won an epic game by 2 wickets after England posted a formidable total of 238/8 by the standards of the day!
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@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
that sounds close to spot on as i recall it ,
I was in Melb for the 82/83 tri series with England . I went to a couple of games , i remember being there beating the aussies well in a Saturday day game with edgar and Wright getting us off to a big start . those were the days when you could walk in with a chilli bin full of beer . Funny times.
We were particularly good that series , unfortunately lost Hadlee to injury right on the finals and possibly let the aussies off the hook .That was the series David Gower was like a batting superman. We won an epic game by 2 wickets after England posted a formidable total of 238/8 by the standards of the day!
Will never forget running down the World Record score of 296 in Adelaide v England.
(IIRC now umpire Ian Gould played in that series for England.)
Bloody Aussies racked up 3 hundy for the first time ever in ODIs in one of the finals v the Hadlee-less attack (302. NZ managed 304 in a match later in the season v the rookie Lankans.)
This was the days when 240 was a massive score.
I recall having a magazine for the series which included stats (the start of my fascination with sports numbers) including the highest previous score in WSC natches being 245.
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@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
that sounds close to spot on as i recall it ,
I was in Melb for the 82/83 tri series with England . I went to a couple of games , i remember being there beating the aussies well in a Saturday day game with edgar and Wright getting us off to a big start . those were the days when you could walk in with a chilli bin full of beer . Funny times.
We were particularly good that series , unfortunately lost Hadlee to injury right on the finals and possibly let the aussies off the hook .That was the series David Gower was like a batting superman. We won an epic game by 2 wickets after England posted a formidable total of 238/8 by the standards of the day!
Will never forget running down the World Record score of 296 in Adelaide v England.
(IIRC now umpire Ian Gould played in that series for England.)
Bloody Aussies racked up 3 hundy for the first time ever in ODIs in one of the finals v the Hadlee-less attack (302. NZ managed 304 in a match later in the season v the rookie Lankans.)
This was the days when 240 was a massive score.
I recall having a magazine for the series which included stats (the start of my fascination with sports numbers) including the highest previous score in WSC natches being 245.
That's the game I was thinking of
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@Crucial said in The Underarm Ball:
@Bones said in The Underarm Ball:
Totally legal. At least it will be until someone uses it against England, makes them look silly and they bitch to World Rugby and get a law change.
... and that law change then comes back to bite them in the arse, and they complain about it
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Watched the doco last night - was good to see/hear from Bruce Edgar, Brian McKechnie and Geoff Howarth. Of course we have heard plenty from Sneds and Smithy in recent times who were also interviewed.
I thought Greg Chappell came off as completely detached from reality. For him it was all about being burnt out from the captaincy and the heat. Of course he would continue as captain for three more years and his exploits in India are legendary, but alas.
Kim Hughes is also interviewed and it becomes pretty apparent when they cut between Chappell and Hughes why one was a great Australian captain and one I would enjoy having a beer with.
Also a lot of crocodile tears from Greg (and the director IMO) for the underarm being the only thing Trever is remembered for. Not a mention of McKechnie whose international cricket career is known for this and his AB career is pretty much remember for kicking the Hayden lineout penalty.
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@rotated said in The Underarm Ball:
Watched the doco last night - was good to see/hear from Bruce Edgar, Brian McKechnie and Geoff Howarth. Of course we have heard plenty from Sneds and Smithy in recent times who were also interviewed.
I thought Greg Chappell came off as completely detached from reality. For him it was all about being burnt out from the captaincy and the heat. Of course he would continue as captain for three more years and his exploits in India are legendary, but alas.
Kim Hughes is also interviewed and it becomes pretty apparent when they cut between Chappell and Hughes why one was a great Australian captain and one I would enjoy having a beer with.
Also a lot of crocodile tears from Greg (and the director IMO) for the underarm being the only thing Trever is remembered for. Not a mention of McKechnie whose international cricket career is known for this and his AB career is pretty much remember for kicking the Hayden lineout penalty.
I reckon if you were to ask most aussies , what is Trevor Chappell most remembered for , they would say bowling the underarm ,
if you were ask them what is Brian Mckecknie remembered for , they would say , never heard of him
