AB squad for the Rugby Championship
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@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Billy-Tell In the props I think it will be Moli vs Perry and Ta'avao vs Laulala. Tim Perry has played one game and five minutes of another this year, so loosehead is Moli's to lose.
Basically Angus vs Nepo and I think Angus' mobility will win it for him.
I heard Sumo on the radio saying the selections are indicative that the ABs are hellbent on playing the game at pace, which rings true.
I wouldn't write Josh Ioane out of the equation yet. If they are planning on playing Richie and Beauden together in the big games then that's lots of workload and even more risk of a first five injury. If Beauden is slated to play fullback I'd take Ioane and probably leave Jordie at home.
has josh played much fullback? i like him, he has the skills, but jeez, not much experience - a big part of the 2 playmakers experiment on the weekend (which hasn't got much discussion on here) was us defending with 2 fullbacks - and they were more often than not barrett and mounga... and that's with ben smiith on a wing.
i reckon if we get an injury to barrett or mounga we'd be straight back to smith at fullback and the old gameplan. mckenzie could slot in, but it would be too big a risk with ioane.@reprobate said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Billy-Tell In the props I think it will be Moli vs Perry and Ta'avao vs Laulala. Tim Perry has played one game and five minutes of another this year, so loosehead is Moli's to lose.
Basically Angus vs Nepo and I think Angus' mobility will win it for him.
I heard Sumo on the radio saying the selections are indicative that the ABs are hellbent on playing the game at pace, which rings true.
I wouldn't write Josh Ioane out of the equation yet. If they are planning on playing Richie and Beauden together in the big games then that's lots of workload and even more risk of a first five injury. If Beauden is slated to play fullback I'd take Ioane and probably leave Jordie at home.
has josh played much fullback? i like him, he has the skills, but jeez, not much experience - a big part of the 2 playmakers experiment on the weekend (which hasn't got much discussion on here) was us defending with 2 fullbacks - and they were more often than not barrett and mounga... and that's with ben smiith on a wing.
i reckon if we get an injury to barrett or mounga we'd be straight back to smith at fullback and the old gameplan. mckenzie could slot in, but it would be too big a risk with ioane.Yeah - I don't think Ioane would play fullback - if one of Beaudy or Richie got injured it would be straight back to Ben Smith at fullback.
But if both of them are playing in four big games - and one of them in each of the "minnow" games - that's a lot of games to get through without an injury - and you might need to carry one of them for several games.
I reckon having a third first five adds more value than another outside back - especially if Beauden is going to play fullback.
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@reprobate said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Billy-Tell In the props I think it will be Moli vs Perry and Ta'avao vs Laulala. Tim Perry has played one game and five minutes of another this year, so loosehead is Moli's to lose.
Basically Angus vs Nepo and I think Angus' mobility will win it for him.
I heard Sumo on the radio saying the selections are indicative that the ABs are hellbent on playing the game at pace, which rings true.
I wouldn't write Josh Ioane out of the equation yet. If they are planning on playing Richie and Beauden together in the big games then that's lots of workload and even more risk of a first five injury. If Beauden is slated to play fullback I'd take Ioane and probably leave Jordie at home.
has josh played much fullback? i like him, he has the skills, but jeez, not much experience - a big part of the 2 playmakers experiment on the weekend (which hasn't got much discussion on here) was us defending with 2 fullbacks - and they were more often than not barrett and mounga... and that's with ben smiith on a wing.
i reckon if we get an injury to barrett or mounga we'd be straight back to smith at fullback and the old gameplan. mckenzie could slot in, but it would be too big a risk with ioane.Yeah - I don't think Ioane would play fullback - if one of Beaudy or Richie got injured it would be straight back to Ben Smith at fullback.
But if both of them are playing in four big games - and one of them in each of the "minnow" games - that's a lot of games to get through without an injury - and you might need to carry one of them for several games.
I reckon having a third first five adds more value than another outside back - especially if Beauden is going to play fullback.
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@reprobate said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Billy-Tell In the props I think it will be Moli vs Perry and Ta'avao vs Laulala. Tim Perry has played one game and five minutes of another this year, so loosehead is Moli's to lose.
Basically Angus vs Nepo and I think Angus' mobility will win it for him.
I heard Sumo on the radio saying the selections are indicative that the ABs are hellbent on playing the game at pace, which rings true.
I wouldn't write Josh Ioane out of the equation yet. If they are planning on playing Richie and Beauden together in the big games then that's lots of workload and even more risk of a first five injury. If Beauden is slated to play fullback I'd take Ioane and probably leave Jordie at home.
has josh played much fullback? i like him, he has the skills, but jeez, not much experience - a big part of the 2 playmakers experiment on the weekend (which hasn't got much discussion on here) was us defending with 2 fullbacks - and they were more often than not barrett and mounga... and that's with ben smiith on a wing.
i reckon if we get an injury to barrett or mounga we'd be straight back to smith at fullback and the old gameplan. mckenzie could slot in, but it would be too big a risk with ioane.Yeah - I don't think Ioane would play fullback - if one of Beaudy or Richie got injured it would be straight back to Ben Smith at fullback.
But if both of them are playing in four big games - and one of them in each of the "minnow" games - that's a lot of games to get through without an injury - and you might need to carry one of them for several games.
I reckon having a third first five adds more value than another outside back - especially if Beauden is going to play fullback.
yeah, decent points - although our only outside back who has really performed so far is beauden... if it were now i'd kinda feel like they both need to play against the minnows too, just to bed the system in - but we'll see how that looks post-bledisloe i guess.
in general i do think the 'too many games in a row' thing is a bit overstated. in super rugby it wouldn't be unusual to play 6 or so in a row, and sure in the WC they're tough games at the pointy end - but that applies to the opposition players too, and we typically have more depth than most. -
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@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
it's the 10 situation leading up to 2011 all over again. They tried everyone, and no one stepped up.
Pretty apt comparison. In both cases we had the Help Wanted sign out the front of the shop for a fair while for that position both cases the selectors were dealt a bit of a dud hand through injuries and age curves which was compounded by a scattergun selection process that should have been far more methodical.
Irregardless I'm not sure there is an obvious solution that was missed in either case, so I'll hardly be calling for their head over the loose trio...
now the lack of a midfield after four years... that is a different story.
I know he had his issues, but better management of Luatua, when they knew Kaino was not going to be part of this RWC squad, could have gone some way to avoiding the situation we now find ourselves in.
As for the midfield, I think should have identified after the Lions series two years ago that Crotty and SBW simply couldn't be relied upon (either to stay fit or not do dumb shit). At that stage, and looking at the decent job they did in test 3, TWM should have picked ALB and Laumape as their preferred to starting combo (I think we may have got more out of BB by picking his Super Rugby partner also). A year later when Goodhue bursts onto the scene, it's a pretty simple transition to swap him in for whoever out of ALB or Laumape. Crotty and SBW could still be part of the broader picture, probably still playing as many tests as they have to date given their injuries, but the other guys who have had a proper opportunity to develop their combinations.
Had they taken this approach, we'd have a very settled midfield leading into this Cup - the polar opposite to what we have coming into this World Cup.
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Three Wise Men (now an ironic title)
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@Darren said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
I'd start Jacobson.
I'm sure he won't let anyone down, lets give him a chance.At seven, sure. Not big enough for six.
@Kirwan the best 6 in the world (O’Mahoney) is 6’3 and 107 kg exact same as Jacobson
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@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
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Fuck Luatua would be pretty handy right now
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@mofitzy_ said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@mofitzy_ Who says Todd won't start in pool games (if Ardie is starting at 8 ) and Read gets a rest?
He almost certainly will. You could easily play Jacobson or Papalii at 7 in the tier 2 pool games though.
But why, when Todd is a better player and has proven himself over a number of years. You can start Todd against Tier 1 or 2 nation, without any issue. The other two whilst talented simply aren’t ready.
Because the others can play multiple positions whilst also being the 3rd option at 7 in the squad.
@KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@mofitzy_ said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@mofitzy_ Who says Todd won't start in pool games (if Ardie is starting at 8 ) and Read gets a rest?
He almost certainly will. You could easily play Jacobson or Papalii at 7 in the tier 2 pool games though.
But why, when Todd is a better player and has proven himself over a number of years. You can start Todd against Tier 1 or 2 nation, without any issue. The other two whilst talented simply aren’t ready.
Because the others can play multiple positions whilst also being the 3rd option at 7 in the squad.
But with versatility available elsewhere in the squad, Cane at 6, Ardie at 8, makes sense to take the next best player.
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@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
It's fascinating to witness a TSF meltdown over a squad selection. :smiling_face_with_open_mouth:
This is a Sunday picnic in comparison with the TSF meltdowns about selection that used to happen during the Mitchell era.
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@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
@Rancid-Schnitzel @junior Why don't you do your own research and let us know the results? These attempts at self-perpetuating your own tired tropes are getting pretty stale.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel @junior Why don't you do your own research and let us know the results? These attempts at self-perpetuating your own tired tropes are getting pretty stale.
@Canerbry said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Rancid-Schnitzel @junior Why don't you do your own research and let us know the results? These attempts at self-perpetuating your own tired tropes are getting pretty stale.
I know the results. I'm asking Stargazer because he clearly needs to come to terms with the cold hard facts of Crotty's lack of reliability to stay fit and uninjured enough to play regular test match footy. His injury record in Super Rugby is largely irrelevant to this issue (unless, like presently, its impacting his ability to play test match footy).
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@Rancid-Schnitzel @junior Why don't you do your own research and let us know the results? These attempts at self-perpetuating your own tired tropes are getting pretty stale.
@Canerbry said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Rancid-Schnitzel @junior Why don't you do your own research and let us know the results? These attempts at self-perpetuating your own tired tropes are getting pretty stale.
You're seriously not going to take offence at that are you? C'mon man. Even the most cycloptic fan has to acknowledge that the guy is made of glass. It's not a "tired trope" it's an unfortunate fact. Wish it wasn't but it is.
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My thoughts FWIW. Probably no great insight in line with the Fern's ethos..
Happy with the tight five - SB's return is good news and think we're pretty OK at 1-3. Seems a good blend of experience, scrummaging skills and mobility. (Caveat: I know SFA about front rows)
7's look good - happy to have any of them start. 6 is a worry but like Jacobson's attitude and want to see him get game time. Fifita is a huge talent but can he come right? Concerned about Read's form and hope he's pacing himself.
9's - Aaron Smith is getting back to form and TJP offers a different game. Hard to choose but that's no bad thing.
!st 5. Ritchie needs game time.
12/13. A couple of games away from RWC2019 and TWM are banking on SBW & Crotty being (a) fit and (b) being able to last 40 minutes. No other settled combinations in sight. It's a WTF for me.
11/14/15 - Reiko & BFA looked a bit rusty but should be knocked out. BB went bloody well at 15. Be good to see Bridge & Reece given game time.
Jordie Barrett can have another shocker as against the Argies can he?
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@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other (older) examples; there are plenty. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other (older) examples; there are plenty. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other examples. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
FAKE NEWS HES GLASS
MOUNGAS A ROOKIE
READ IS OLD
CRUDEN IS BETTER THAN CARTER
MARSHALL IS SHIT
We've seen it all before.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other (older) examples; there are plenty. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other (older) examples; there are plenty. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
He played a whole 12 minutes of the Aus game.
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@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other examples. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
FAKE NEWS HES GLASS
MOUNGAS A ROOKIE
READ IS OLD
CRUDEN IS BETTER THAN CARTER
MARSHALL IS SHIT
We've seen it all before.
@Canerbry said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@junior Crotty has played 15 of 19 SR games this season and a decent amount of minutes. He doesn't have a concussion this time, either. He'll be fine.
I'm not talking about Super Rugby - I'm talking about test match rugby for the All Blacks. When was the last test he played with SBW / Laumape / ALB? How many times has he played with these 3 in a black jersey?
How many times has he played 2-3 tests in a row?
Last year. During the TRC he played 3 consecutive games: the home game against South Africa, the away games against Argentina and South Africa. And then during the EOYT, the games against England and Ireland. The only reason he didn't play the game before the England test was because they used a bunch of rookies and second/third stringers for the test against Japan, and they also fielded a team of 2nd stringers against Italy in the last test.
I can't be bothered to look up other examples. I don't need to prove anything. He's the best 12 we've got and he's likely make the RWC squad.
FAKE NEWS HES GLASS
MOUNGAS A ROOKIE
READ IS OLD
CRUDEN IS BETTER THAN CARTER
MARSHALL IS SHIT
We've seen it all before.
Yes, yes, yes, no, as a commentator hell yes.
Remember the Cantablacks?