AB squad for the Rugby Championship
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Grant Fox -"This goes to the heart of a debate that people think we don't quite understand what our best loose forward combination is or where we sit with six. The answer is we do, but we're not prepared to announce that now."
"There's three areas which won't surprise anyone," Fox said of where the selectors have the most dialogue. "Loose forwards is one of them, even though we're very clear on where we're going, there's still a lot of discussion because there's a lot of depth there.
Perhaps that simply means Squire to come back.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12254727
@Frank I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that's true. They may well be whittling away at the loose forward contenders who will make up the rest of the squad.
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@mariner4life I'm hopefully going to the Ta$man-Otago game tomorrow night and will keep an eye out for Hansen sitting in the stand.
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It seems there's a bit too much stock/trust put in things Hansen says in pressers. How many times has he said things like Hemopo is a 6 only, Barrett is a 10 only, Cane/Savea/Read won't play together...
@Bones said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
It seems there's a bit too much stock/trust put in things Hansen says in pressers. How many times has he said things like Hemopo is a 6 only, Barrett is a 10 only, Cane/Savea/Read won't play together...
he absolutely just makes shit up on the fly to throw everyone off what he is actually thinking
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I’m hoping like hell , read is just going through the motions and saving himself to peak later, like Richie and dc were doing this time in 2015.
That didn’t become obvious until the WC stages when they went to another level.Hopefully some of the other older guys like bsmith likewise
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I’m hoping like hell , read is just going through the motions and saving himself to peak later, like Richie and dc were doing this time in 2015.
That didn’t become obvious until the WC stages when they went to another level.Hopefully some of the other older guys like bsmith likewise
@kiwiinmelb said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
I’m hoping like hell , read is just going through the motions and saving himself to peak later, like Richie and dc were doing this time in 2015.
That didn’t become obvious until the WC stages when they went to another level.... you mean, say, keeping the powder dry
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@kiwiinmelb said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
I’m hoping like hell , read is just going through the motions and saving himself to peak later, like Richie and dc were doing this time in 2015.
That didn’t become obvious until the WC stages when they went to another level.... you mean, say, keeping the powder dry
@nzzp said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@kiwiinmelb said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
I’m hoping like hell , read is just going through the motions and saving himself to peak later, like Richie and dc were doing this time in 2015.
That didn’t become obvious until the WC stages when they went to another level.... you mean, say, keeping the powder dry
As long as he snorts the lions share come RWC.
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Grant Fox -"This goes to the heart of a debate that people think we don't quite understand what our best loose forward combination is or where we sit with six. The answer is we do, but we're not prepared to announce that now."
"There's three areas which won't surprise anyone," Fox said of where the selectors have the most dialogue. "Loose forwards is one of them, even though we're very clear on where we're going, there's still a lot of discussion because there's a lot of depth there.
Perhaps that simply means Squire to come back.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12254727
@Frank said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Perhaps that simply means Squire to come back.
Or maybe its gonna be a total shock and Akira is coming after all, the whole fitness thing has been a smokescreen he's out #1 #6 and opposition sides have zero footage of him in black to try and counter him. Genius!
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@Kirwan said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@nzzp we had our best fullback playing fullback last weekend though. Isn’t that a good a thing?
Not really, as our best fullback is also our best ten (IMO by quite a distance). Ten is more important that 15, so it weakens the team.
Our second best fullback is also playing on the wing which weakens the team further.
@Snowy said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@nzzp we had our best fullback playing fullback last weekend though. Isn’t that a good a thing?
Not really, as our best fullback is also our best ten (IMO by quite a distance). Ten is more important that 15, so it weakens the team.
Our second best fullback is also playing on the wing which weakens the team further.
But he’s our best right winger and has been for some years. So better for our team.
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Grant Fox -"This goes to the heart of a debate that people think we don't quite understand what our best loose forward combination is or where we sit with six. The answer is we do, but we're not prepared to announce that now."
"There's three areas which won't surprise anyone," Fox said of where the selectors have the most dialogue. "Loose forwards is one of them, even though we're very clear on where we're going, there's still a lot of discussion because there's a lot of depth there.
Perhaps that simply means Squire to come back.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12254727
@Frank said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Grant Fox -"This goes to the heart of a debate that people think we don't quite understand what our best loose forward combination is or where we sit with six. The answer is we do, but we're not prepared to announce that now."
"There's three areas which won't surprise anyone," Fox said of where the selectors have the most dialogue. "Loose forwards is one of them, even though we're very clear on where we're going, there's still a lot of discussion because there's a lot of depth there.
Perhaps that simply means Squire to come back.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12254727
Won’t surprise me when they name
6- S. Barrett
7- M. Todd
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@Frank said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Grant Fox -"This goes to the heart of a debate that people think we don't quite understand what our best loose forward combination is or where we sit with six. The answer is we do, but we're not prepared to announce that now."
"There's three areas which won't surprise anyone," Fox said of where the selectors have the most dialogue. "Loose forwards is one of them, even though we're very clear on where we're going, there's still a lot of discussion because there's a lot of depth there.
Perhaps that simply means Squire to come back.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12254727
Won’t surprise me when they name
6- S. Barrett
7- M. Todd
8- K. Read (c) -
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Only read the last couple of pages but man everyone is obsessed with height.
Remember that the usual AB plays at line out involve quick thinking and action rather than an extra two inches in height.
The best thing to do against the likes of England, Ireland and SA is to get to the line quickly and biff it in to the first organised pod while the opposition are getting organised.What do we do when it's their throw and Big Pieter is waving his arms saying "throw it to me - I'm being marked by Benny Hill's sidekick"!
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Only read the last couple of pages but man everyone is obsessed with height.
Remember that the usual AB plays at line out involve quick thinking and action rather than an extra two inches in height.
The best thing to do against the likes of England, Ireland and SA is to get to the line quickly and biff it in to the first organised pod while the opposition are getting organised.What do we do when it's their throw and Big Pieter is waving his arms saying "throw it to me - I'm being marked by Benny Hill's sidekick"!
I'm happy to be corrected but, on a defensive lineout, you'd only really ever have two jumpers - usually one at the front and one patrolling the middle-to-back. In that scenario, it's very unlikely you'd be hoisting up your fourth jumper (especially if he is a short-arse). So, I don't see the 6's height being an issue on D, except maybe as a lifter.
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@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Only read the last couple of pages but man everyone is obsessed with height.
Remember that the usual AB plays at line out involve quick thinking and action rather than an extra two inches in height.
The best thing to do against the likes of England, Ireland and SA is to get to the line quickly and biff it in to the first organised pod while the opposition are getting organised.What do we do when it's their throw and Big Pieter is waving his arms saying "throw it to me - I'm being marked by Benny Hill's sidekick"!
I'm happy to be corrected but, on a defensive lineout, you'd only really ever have two jumpers - usually one at the front and one patrolling the middle-to-back. In that scenario, it's very unlikely you'd be hoisting up your fourth jumper (especially if he is a short-arse). So, I don't see the 6's height being an issue on D, except maybe as a lifter.
@junior I agree.
We took a couple of early opposition line-outs in the last match. Neither were by matching the jumper. Instead we got a man in front at the right time.
Taking opposition throws is very rarely about being taller.
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Yes - you've got to get a man in front. But, that guy has to be tall and fast enough to be competitive.
Last weekend's game saw us get some soft wins at the front from Frizell - no-one up against him.
Contrast that with what we saw at the end of the Argentina game - Liam Coltman being singled out for wonky lineout throwing - but, who were his targets?
Retallick (good), Hemopo, Jacobson, Savea, Cane.
The Argies took us down!
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Yes - you've got to get a man in front. But, that guy has to be tall and fast enough to be competitive.
Last weekend's game saw us get some soft wins at the front from Frizell - no-one up against him.
Contrast that with what we saw at the end of the Argentina game - Liam Coltman being singled out for wonky lineout throwing - but, who were his targets?
Retallick (good), Hemopo, Jacobson, Savea, Cane.
The Argies took us down!
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Yes - you've got to get a man in front. But, that guy has to be tall and fast enough to be competitive.
Last weekend's game saw us get some soft wins at the front from Frizell - no-one up against him.
Contrast that with what we saw at the end of the Argentina game - Liam Coltman being singled out for wonky lineout throwing - but, who were his targets?
Retallick (good), Hemopo, Jacobson, Savea, Cane.
The Argies took us down!
So Coltman couldn’t throw straight because the back rowers were a few cm too short? Hmm not sure i buy that.
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@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Yes - you've got to get a man in front. But, that guy has to be tall and fast enough to be competitive.
Last weekend's game saw us get some soft wins at the front from Frizell - no-one up against him.
Contrast that with what we saw at the end of the Argentina game - Liam Coltman being singled out for wonky lineout throwing - but, who were his targets?
Retallick (good), Hemopo, Jacobson, Savea, Cane.
The Argies took us down!
So Coltman couldn’t throw straight because the back rowers were a few cm too short? Hmm not sure i buy that.
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@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
At the presser yesterday Hansen was asked again about Read at 6. He just smiled and said they had a plan for the no.6 jersey while not giving anything away. Cryptic.
Link ??
@Frank said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
At the presser yesterday Hansen was asked again about Read at 6. He just smiled and said they had a plan for the no.6 jersey while not giving anything away. Cryptic.
Link ??
No. Hansen
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@pukunui He didn't have any that weren't straight, did he? They were just "a bit short" and picked off by the Argies.
Same thing used to happen when we had a loose trio of Jerry, Richie and Rodders. Our hookers just couldn't throw....
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@pukunui He didn't have any that weren't straight, did he? They were just "a bit short" and picked off by the Argies.
Same thing used to happen when we had a loose trio of Jerry, Richie and Rodders. Our hookers just couldn't throw....
I can’t remember if the length was his only issue. Still think it is a long bow to draw to blame his poor throwing on the height of the back row when he was throwing low to the guys who supposedly too short.
To be honest i agree height is important and ideally your 6 would have it all but along with speed i would have height well down the list of attributes that are essential in an AB 6.
Hard hitting defence and work rate would be the top and probably ball carrying next. I think you get those things and the attributes of an AB 7 in a combination of Cane and Savea with Savea bring the ball carrying.Scott Barrett or Hemopo may be the answer too.
Fifita is not and Jacobson is an unknown. Time is running out. -
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
@pukunui He didn't have any that weren't straight, did he? They were just "a bit short" and picked off by the Argies.
Same thing used to happen when we had a loose trio of Jerry, Richie and Rodders. Our hookers just couldn't throw....
I can’t remember if the length was his only issue. Still think it is a long bow to draw to blame his poor throwing on the height of the back row when he was throwing low to the guys who supposedly too short.
To be honest i agree height is important and ideally your 6 would have it all but along with speed i would have height well down the list of attributes that are essential in an AB 6.
Hard hitting defence and work rate would be the top and probably ball carrying next. I think you get those things and the attributes of an AB 7 in a combination of Cane and Savea with Savea bring the ball carrying.Scott Barrett or Hemopo may be the answer too.
Fifita is not and Jacobson is an unknown. Time is running out.@pukunui As I recall, I don't think there were any scrums - I think the Argies just got in front of our jumpers and knocked them down. Someone else might have the game recorded and look at who we were throwing to, but I bet at least one was aimed at Retallick - and everyone else would likely have been jumping against someone taller without a lot of deception.
B&I Lions did the same against the Crusaders - double-teamed Sam Whitelock when our other options were poor.
Size is important in all things. A number of instances where its been reported that the AB coaches have asked players to put on a few more kgs. Hookers and loosies especially. They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't important - and for more than lineouts. Winning rugby is about winning the collisions and good big guys win the collisions against good little guys.
(They've also asked a few fat props to trim down for obvious reasons).
Hansen likes big opensides - McCaw and Cane have been his first choices. He likes big blindsides as well.
We're dug into a bit of a hole at 6 and you're dead right - time is running out.
