2019 NZ Schools
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@Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:
2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 playersGoodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.
@Chester-Draws said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:
2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 playersGoodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.
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@Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.
Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.
Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?
IIRC, I think they picked the main team that was mainly Year 13s, and the Baabaas were mainly Year 12s.
So if they are Year 11, I'm assuming that's why they weren't picked.
That was in the past, so not sure if it's still the same.Does anyone have a breakdown of the Year Levels of the players?
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@Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:
2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 playersGoodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.
@Chester-Draws said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
WTF!!
Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!
What a joke.
This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:
2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 playersGoodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.
Yes, I have a chance for more outrage, by many you mean one? Add this to your population projection for the Canes region and it seems you have a trumpian outlook on size and numbers.
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Before I get mobbed it is always hard to pick schools teams because of the geography and the fact that games between players competing for spots are rare unless they are in same comp.
In terms of hurricanes representation and more specifically Wellington I just don’t think Wellington schools rugby is very strong atm (hate begins) scots got comprehensively beaten by Hastings. Even go down to u15 and Wellington college and st pats town came 15/16 out of 16 teams at one comp while st pats silverstream came down the bottom half of hurricanes tournament (they were top of their comp).
The biggest surprise is some of sth island (whom I know reasonably well) selections which is more than in previous years. 4 from CBHS is ridiculous! Lopas and can understand even Max Hughes (although I think others in NZ have played better) other two I just don’t see how. Also two from St Andrews who as a team imploaded this year to finish 7th!! Although I see they have a member (or ex) as a skills coach iso wonder if that played a part.
Will Gualter I like and can see why as well as Segner and
In the end I assume that selectors know who is available and have had a good look at tapes/ live games.
With all that still like to say good luck to those selected!@98blueandgold said in 2019 NZ Schools:
Before I get mobbed it is always hard to pick schools teams because of the geography and the fact that games between players competing for spots are rare unless they are in same comp.
http://www.nzrugby.co.nz/what-we-do/national-teams/new-zealand-schools
They aren't just judged on their school games. There's camps, and provincial games etc.
But going to a big school is a massive bonus. We recently had a student at my school that should have been in the secondary school team, but didn't go to the right school. He made it to U20 squad, once free of that problem.
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
Apparently, only one player in the Hastings 1st XV team was over 18. So that can't be the reason.
They pretty much all have to be now, after a rule change, if I understood the rules correctly. Only two can be over 18 at the start of the year.
I can't find the eligibility requirements for international schoolboy games though. I thought that it was younger than under 18 on the 1st January because of the different school years of NH teams.
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@98blueandgold said in 2019 NZ Schools:
Before I get mobbed it is always hard to pick schools teams because of the geography and the fact that games between players competing for spots are rare unless they are in same comp.
http://www.nzrugby.co.nz/what-we-do/national-teams/new-zealand-schools
They aren't just judged on their school games. There's camps, and provincial games etc.
But going to a big school is a massive bonus. We recently had a student at my school that should have been in the secondary school team, but didn't go to the right school. He made it to U20 squad, once free of that problem.
@Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:
Apparently, only one player in the Hastings 1st XV team was over 18. So that can't be the reason.
They pretty much all have to be now, after a rule change, if I understood the rules correctly. Only two can be over 18 at the start of the year.
I can't find the eligibility requirements for international schoolboy games though. I thought that it was younger than under 18 on the 1st January because of the different school years of NH teams.
@Chester-Draws I agree as I am also involved in schools rugby as well and have seen this a lot. 20s is where players should be aiming for not schools. What I was pointing out was the camps are a snapshot in a very short space of time. If you do not perform there that maybe your only chance so unless you are at a big school that is on tv or you are playing g a player regularly that you are in competition with it would be hard to make team.
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8 from Crusaders region schools in the top team is a pretty high representation. 30% or thereabouts. Zero from any Highlanders region schools but four from there in the Barbarians side. Two from my Dad's old school John McGlashan and one each from Kings HS and OBHS. It'd be pretty rare for OBHS to not have the greatest proportion of players, of Dunedin schools.
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There has been some delay in the team naming of the NZ Māori U18 squad, today. I guess there was an unexpected abundance of choice after the NZ Schools and Barbarians Schools team naming. I'm keen to find out how many players from Hastings and Hamilton BHS will end up in this squad.
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New Zealand Māori Under 18 teams named
The Ngā Whatukura team will assemble in Rotorua on 17 September before matches against Fiji Schools (22 September) and in the game of three halves in Palmerston North against the New Zealand Schools and the New Zealand Schools Barbarians (26 September).The New Zealand Māori U18 Ngā Whatukura team is;
Name School/club Iwi Blake Rogers Scots College Te Aupouri Carlos Karaitiana Rotorua BHS Ngāti Porou, Tūhoe Cassius Misa Te Teko Rugby & Sport Club Ngāti Kahungunu Ethan Seed Francis Douglas MC Te Atiawa Harry Hansen Otago BHS Ngāti Porou Hemopo Cunningham Rotorua BHS Ngāti Pikiao Hunter Nuku Taradale RFC Ngāti Kahungunu, Ngāi Tai Jacob Ward Napier BHS Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Kahungunu Jayden Walker Napier BHS Ngāti Kahungunu Jock McKenzie Westlake BHS Ngāti Maniapoto Jordan Thompson-Dunn Hastings BHS Ngāti Kahungunu Kaharoa Takuira-Mita Tauranga BHS Ngāti Rangi, Ngāti Ranginui Keegan McGregor Christchurch BHS Ngāti Raukawa Mercedes Hodge Hastings BHS Tūwharetoa Nephi Sanireve Trident High School Ngāti Awa, Tūwharetoa ki Kawerau Nikora Broughton Arataki Sports Club Ngāti Ruanui Niwa Barlow New Plymouth BHS Tūwharetoa Noah Hotham Hamilton BHS Ngāi Tai Rocky Olsen Whangarei BHS Ngāti Whātua Stuart Leach Rotorua BHS Ngāti Porou, Tūhoe Tamaikoha Te Aute Rangiuru Sports Club Te Arawa Taylor Dale Otago BHS Ngāpuhi, Ngāti Whātua Thomas Murray-Edwards New Plymouth BHS Ngāti Whakaue Tiaki Fabish Old Boys University, Wellington Ngāti Maniapoto, Te Whānau ā Apanui Valance Yates St Kentigern College Ngāpuhi Ngā Kaiako/Kaiwhakahaere
Name Role Iwi Kahu Carey Head Coach Rangitāne, Ngāti Apa ki te Rā Tō Jeremy Wara Forwards Coach Tainui, Ngāti Tahinga, Ngāti Tiipa Ngatai Walker Backs Coach Ngāti Porou Simon Kneebone Set Piece Coach Ngāti Porou Duncan Cameron Manager Ngāti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa,Te Whānau ā Apanui, Rangitāne Mihaere Emery Cultural Advisor Tahoe, Ngāti Awa, Ngāti Maniapoto, Ngāti Koroki Kahukura, Ngāti Raukawa Tiki Edwards Campaign Manager Whakatōhea, Ngāti Raukawa .
The New Zealand Māori Rugby Board also acknowledged and celebrated the players selected in the U18 Ngā Mareikura team. While there is no match for the under 18 girls in 2019, Palmer said the Board wanted to congratulate the efforts of the young wahine athletes this season and commented that efforts were being made to ensure a programme for this team would be established in future years.The NZ Māori U18 Ngā Mareikura team is:
Name School/club Iwi Jaylyn Campbell Waitakere City Rugby Club Te Rarawa Tuia Edwards Hastings GHS Ngāti Kahungungu Vici Rose Green Hamilton GHS Ngāti Maniapoto Daeja Kaponga Putaruru College Ngāti Raukawa Jurney Blair Te Rarawa Rugby Club Te Rarawa Mia Anderson Kerikeri High school Ngāpuhi Savannah Bodman Kamo High school Ngāpuhi Raegan Robinson Karamu High school Ngāti Kahungunu Milly Mackay Petone RFC Ngāti Porou Alesha Williams New Plymouth GHS Te Atiawa Mania Nuku Hamilton GHS Ngai Te Rangi, Ngāti Ranginui Kelsey Teneti Lytton High School Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau ā Apanui Shaniqka Wall Nga Paerangi Manukura School Ngāti Tūwharetoa Cortez Te Pou Karamu High School Ngāti Kahungunu Raumati Rogers Marlborough Girls College Tūhoe Charm Sandilands Karamu High School Ngāti Kahungunu, Ngāi Tahu Holly Topp Tauranga Girls’ College Ngāi Tahu Layla Te Rini Trident High Schoo Tūwharetoa Klee Begbie Putaruru College Ngāti Raukawa Karlee Cruickshank Central Southland Ngāpuhi Jamie Church Kavanagh Collage Ngāti Maniapoto, Tūwharetoa, Te Arawa, Ngāti Porou Naia Toaolamai-Holden Christchurch Girls High Te Atiawa, Ngāti Porou Shania Kohinga North Otago Ngāti Maniapoto Ngāti Tūwharetoa Jasmine Oconnell Manukura Ngati-Kahungunu, Ngāti-Maniapoto Calista Ruruku University of Waikato Te Atihaunui-ā-Pāpārangi Ngā Kaiako/Kaiwhakahaere
Name Role Iwi Jayson McRoberts Head Coach Ngāti Kahungunu Caleb Angew-Jones Assistant coach Ngāti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa Geri Paul Assistant Coach Ngāti Awa Paula Taylor Anderson Manager Te Atiawa Tamara Toaloamai Assistant manager Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Hāmoa Tuterangi Nepe-Apatu Support Ngāti Kahungunu -
It's amazing what a good program can do (when its like mens and all the best talent ends up at the best schools). I use to ref the hastings girls games back in the early 2000's I would call them off with like 20 minutes to go as a sign of mercy they were honestly that bad. Good sign for girls rugby where a lot of them don't start playing until high school and don't pick there schools based on the rugby teams (im sure some do but not as large a % as boys rugby)
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@Toddy said in 2019 NZ Schools:
Good to see Hammett still trolling @Nepia
I think that the Hastings Boys guys can be proud, snubbed like Ma'a by the Hammetuer.
@Nepia said in 2019 NZ Schools:
@Toddy said in 2019 NZ Schools:
Good to see Hammett still trolling @Nepia
I think that the Hastings Boys guys can be proud, snubbed like Ma'a by the Hammetuer.
TO think, those Hastings boys would have only be 9 or 10 years old when Hammett began as Haurricanes coach in 2011. Where as members of the Rotorua 1st XV would have been about 15 years old back then.
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Interesting that after the Maori team (all players who were left out of the NZSS and Barbarians teams in favor of foreign players) after beating Fiji Schools and the Barbarians last year, the 2019 Maori team is tasked with playing in a "game of three halves" against the NZSS and Barbarians teams. A rugby know-it-all at work didn't think that was strange at all - But then again he's a bit slow in the face.
*Foreign Players - Players who, like the "red sea" if their own countries were playing against the ABs or Kiwis, they'd be supporting their actual countries and and staying true to their true colors (not black)
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I've been away so won't be trawling through the thread but the Top 4 doesn't mean a lot for NZ Schools selection, as the majority of the squad weren't even there. As an example, the only Hamilton BHS player (Green) selected was injured so wasn't in Palmy, and CBHS has 3 players but couldn't beat Nelson.
From what I have been told team is pretty much selected before then and the Super U18s competition is also important in identifying the talent and seeing how the players perform in that environment. You could argue that St Kents is still the school to go to for higher recognition. I believe there is also an unofficial rule where Yr 11 players aren't selected as they have 2 more years of eligibility. Quite a few players from the 2018 NZ Barbarians team have graduated to the 2019 NZS squad.
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I've been away so won't be trawling through the thread but the Top 4 doesn't mean a lot for NZ Schools selection, as the majority of the squad weren't even there. As an example, the only Hamilton BHS player (Green) selected was injured so wasn't in Palmy, and CBHS has 3 players but couldn't beat Nelson.
From what I have been told team is pretty much selected before then and the Super U18s competition is also important in identifying the talent and seeing how the players perform in that environment. You could argue that St Kents is still the school to go to for higher recognition. I believe there is also an unofficial rule where Yr 11 players aren't selected as they have 2 more years of eligibility. Quite a few players from the 2018 NZ Barbarians team have graduated to the 2019 NZS squad.
@Bovidae said in 2019 NZ Schools:
I've been away so won't be trawling through the thread but the Top 4 doesn't mean a lot for NZ Schools selection, as the majority of the squad weren't even there. As an example, the only Hamilton BHS player (Green) selected was injured so wasn't in Palmy, and CBHS has 3 players but couldn't beat Nelson.
From what I have been told team is pretty much selected before then and the Super U18s competition is also important in identifying the talent and seeing how the players perform in that environment. You could argue that St Kents is still the school to go to for higher recognition. I believe there is also an unofficial rule where Yr 11 players aren't selected as they have 2 more years of eligibility. Quite a few players from the 2018 NZ Barbarians team have graduated to the 2019 NZS squad.
That, in itself, is a worry, considering the 2018 NZ Schools Barbarians squad was beaten by both Fiji Schools and NZ Maori U18, last year. Hopefully, these players have improved a lot since then.
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@Bovidae said in 2019 NZ Schools:
I've been away so won't be trawling through the thread but the Top 4 doesn't mean a lot for NZ Schools selection, as the majority of the squad weren't even there. As an example, the only Hamilton BHS player (Green) selected was injured so wasn't in Palmy, and CBHS has 3 players but couldn't beat Nelson.
From what I have been told team is pretty much selected before then and the Super U18s competition is also important in identifying the talent and seeing how the players perform in that environment. You could argue that St Kents is still the school to go to for higher recognition. I believe there is also an unofficial rule where Yr 11 players aren't selected as they have 2 more years of eligibility. Quite a few players from the 2018 NZ Barbarians team have graduated to the 2019 NZS squad.
That, in itself, is a worry, considering the 2018 NZ Schools Barbarians squad was beaten by both Fiji Schools and NZ Maori U18, last year. Hopefully, these players have improved a lot since then.
@Stargazer It may also suggest the younger players are selected for the NZ Baabaas first. Zach Gallagher, the lock the Cantabs have talked up, is one of those players.
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Disappointing that there is so little publicity being given to the schools teams, this year. I guess part of that is due to the RWC, although the lack of news and livestreaming of the U19s tournament by NZR may also point at cost-cutting or other reasons.
Anyway, today, New Zealand Māori U18 play Fiji Schools at Rotorua Boys High School. Kick-off 2pm.
This is from Māori TV:
https://teaomaori.news/building-better-rugby-players-and-better-men
