Cricket: NZ vs England
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@Bones said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@mariner4life said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
So much praise we will now crash and burn in Hamilton.
Even I will have to bear some responsibility for the upcoming comeuppance, for my best all-time 3rd seamer link.
we are all so scarred by the past
Yeah I was thinking that after reading @No-Quarter post. It's really hard to adjust the mindset that we're actually a good side now and not the much maligned black craps.
despite at least 4 years of continued excellence in nearly all forms, when the poms cranked on 350, and we lost a couple early, in my mind we were conceding a first innings lead of 150.
@mariner4life and scoring circa 80 in the second.
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Been reading some commentary about Joe Root and how the captaincy is dragging him down brought up a fun question about best batsmen to never captain a side.
For NZ who would our best batsman who never captained the team be? Captain is defined as being the captain at the toss. So guys who only captained a couple of games when the regular captain was injured are counted.
I'm struggling to come up with names for the list. In recent times the only guys that come to mind are Astle and Richardson. Styris if we're counting ODIs.
Some of the older names might get in though. I don't think Donnelly, Dempster, Sutcliffe or Turner ever captained a test.
@Cyclops said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Been reading some commentary about Joe Root and how the captaincy is dragging him down brought up a fun question about best batsmen to never captain a side.
For NZ who would our best batsman who never captained the team be? Captain is defined as being the captain at the toss. So guys who only captained a couple of games when the regular captain was injured are counted.
I'm struggling to come up with names for the list. In recent times the only guys that come to mind are Astle and Richardson. Styris if we're counting ODIs.
Some of the older names might get in though. I don't think Donnelly, Dempster, Sutcliffe or Turner ever captained a test.
If he continues his current trajectory Tom Latham could enter the conversation in time
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@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
List of all time 3rd/4th seamers:
Wagner really is exceptional.
That's fantastic. While Kallis 'may' be a bit too far to topple, he should easily get into second place.
How old is Wagner?
Funny how his list of "Major Teams" includes Otago but excludes ND. Little ole ND not worth mentioning.
NORTHERN DISTRICTS IS NEW ZEALAND CRICKET
@mariner4life said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
List of all time 3rd/4th seamers:
Wagner really is exceptional.
That's fantastic. While Kallis 'may' be a bit too far to topple, he should easily get into second place.
How old is Wagner?
Funny how his list of "Major Teams" includes Otago but excludes ND. Little ole ND not worth mentioning.
NORTHERN DISTRICTS IS NEW ZEALAND CRICKET
Don’t.Tell.BSG!! Christ knows he’ll have to don his white armour!!!
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@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
List of all time 3rd/4th seamers:
Wagner really is exceptional.
That's fantastic. While Kallis 'may' be a bit too far to topple, he should easily get into second place.
How old is Wagner?
Funny how his list of "Major Teams" includes Otago but excludes ND. Little ole ND not worth mentioning.
Gulp. His is a hard role, and may find he suddenly so'oialos at any moment given his age.
I think his could be the hardest role to replace.
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Gulp. His is a hard role, and may find he suddenly so'oialos at any moment given his age
When it happens in your early 20's it's called getting Reiko'd.
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@Cyclops said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Been reading some commentary about Joe Root and how the captaincy is dragging him down brought up a fun question about best batsmen to never captain a side.
For NZ who would our best batsman who never captained the team be? Captain is defined as being the captain at the toss. So guys who only captained a couple of games when the regular captain was injured are counted.
I'm struggling to come up with names for the list. In recent times the only guys that come to mind are Astle and Richardson. Styris if we're counting ODIs.
Some of the older names might get in though. I don't think Donnelly, Dempster, Sutcliffe or Turner ever captained a test.
If he continues his current trajectory Tom Latham could enter the conversation in time
@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Cyclops said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Been reading some commentary about Joe Root and how the captaincy is dragging him down brought up a fun question about best batsmen to never captain a side.
For NZ who would our best batsman who never captained the team be? Captain is defined as being the captain at the toss. So guys who only captained a couple of games when the regular captain was injured are counted.
I'm struggling to come up with names for the list. In recent times the only guys that come to mind are Astle and Richardson. Styris if we're counting ODIs.
Some of the older names might get in though. I don't think Donnelly, Dempster, Sutcliffe or Turner ever captained a test.
If he continues his current trajectory Tom Latham could enter the conversation in time
Yes, although he will likely captain the black caps at some point too.
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@mariner4life said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Rapido said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
So much praise we will now crash and burn in Hamilton.
Even I will have to bear some responsibility for the upcoming comeuppance, for my best all-time 3rd seamer link.
we are all so scarred by the past
Yeah I was thinking that after reading @No-Quarter post. It's really hard to adjust the mindset that we're actually a good side now and not the much maligned black craps.
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@dogmeat said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
BJ up to 12 and Wagner 3 in the latest Batting and Bowling Rankings
Plus CDG finally makes it into the all rounder top 10 as well
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Pretty bored of reading about Archer racist abuse - was lead sport story on a few online rags today.
Wonder how big this story would have if England had won as they expected to
@MajorRage agree. It is really shit, and I'm glad they are taking it seriously and following up etc. But man they have milked it hard.
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@MajorRage agree. It is really shit, and I'm glad they are taking it seriously and following up etc. But man they have milked it hard.
@Paekakboyz said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@MajorRage agree. It is really shit, and I'm glad they are taking it seriously and following up etc. But man they have milked it hard.
I'm glad that they are investigating, but has anyone produced proof that this actually happened?
I don't want to criticise Archer but this massive reaction is from a tweet of his that has not had (that we are aware of) any confirmation from team mates or others in the crowd (and knowing NZ, someone would have come forward and said 'yeah, I heard that dickhead and he was told to button it'). Perhaps he mis-heard or misconstrued a comment?
There will always be dickheads around but the good thing about NZ is that there are also plenty of people who will speak up and put those dickheads in their place.
NZ Cricket had to take the obvious actions to clamp down but it somehow doesn't feel right to me.
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@Paekakboyz said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@MajorRage agree. It is really shit, and I'm glad they are taking it seriously and following up etc. But man they have milked it hard.
I'm glad that they are investigating, but has anyone produced proof that this actually happened?
I don't want to criticise Archer but this massive reaction is from a tweet of his that has not had (that we are aware of) any confirmation from team mates or others in the crowd (and knowing NZ, someone would have come forward and said 'yeah, I heard that dickhead and he was told to button it'). Perhaps he mis-heard or misconstrued a comment?
There will always be dickheads around but the good thing about NZ is that there are also plenty of people who will speak up and put those dickheads in their place.
NZ Cricket had to take the obvious actions to clamp down but it somehow doesn't feel right to me.
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@booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm getting a Bastareaud vibe
Hmmm. I really don't get why anyone would make that up, but I don't have a victim mentality. Just bizarre really, and as has already been said - one dickhead.
@Snowy said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I'm getting a Bastareaud vibe
Hmmm. I really don't get why anyone would make that up, but I don't have a victim mentality. Just bizarre really, and as has already been said - one dickhead.
Difference between making something up entirely and jumping to conclusions and firing out a tweet.
The bit that gets me is why he didn't mention it to his management to follow through on but publicly commented.
We don't even know what was supposedly said. Are we talking colour based racist talk or someone commenting on him being a West Indian import?
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The person was located near the scoreboard according to the TV news. If the abuse happened while Archer was batting some NZ players have said they didn't hear anything themselves.
@Bovidae I think it was when he was heading off the pitch after getting out. So I can understand if it wasn't widely audible to other players.
My gripe was the going straight to twitter rather than their usual process (which I'm sure they have in place) of talking to management and going from there.
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"In a previous tweet, subsequently deleted, Archer further outlined the nature of the abuse, posting: “Can the guy that was yelling bbc and bc from the scoreboard area today come forward and tell me what those words mean please? Because I don’t...”
I'm puzzled. Was someone shouting letters? If so how are they racist? (Kidding)
If they were the words he should have understood them and has a right to be offended if I think those letters are the start of what was said.He should also have understood them as being announced by a dickhead and get a thicker skin.
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"In a previous tweet, subsequently deleted, Archer further outlined the nature of the abuse, posting: “Can the guy that was yelling bbc and bc from the scoreboard area today come forward and tell me what those words mean please? Because I don’t...”
I'm puzzled. Was someone shouting letters? If so how are they racist? (Kidding)
If they were the words he should have understood them and has a right to be offended if I think those letters are the start of what was said.He should also have understood them as being announced by a dickhead and get a thicker skin.
@Snowy said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
"In a previous tweet, subsequently deleted, Archer further outlined the nature of the abuse, posting: “Can the guy that was yelling bbc and bc from the scoreboard area today come forward and tell me what those words mean please? Because I don’t...”
I'm puzzled. Was someone shouting letters? If so how are they racist? (Kidding)
If they were the words he should have understood them and has a right to be offended if I think those letters are the start of what was said.He should also have understood them as being announced by a dickhead and get a thicker skin.
I hadn't seen that.
If someone was shouting 'You BC (or BBC)' then fair enough. It's pretty obvious what he meant (if directed at Archer)
BC also = Black Caps
'Black Caps' misheard?
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One person out of thousands shouts 4 words and letters. Big deal.
Explain to anyone who doesn't understand why he's a dickhead and move on. That's the reason for the witch hunt isn't it? To deter others from judging on the basis of skin colour.
It's getting nearly more investigation than a labour party sex criminal.
Some perspective would be nice
