All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@taniwharugby Every time I think about that game I think about that moment. It obviousy got overshadowed by the intercept try but I feel that moment changed the game.
@African-Monkey said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@taniwharugby Every time I think about that game I think about that moment. It obviousy got overshadowed by the intercept try but I feel that moment changed the game.
it was a fucking try too!!!
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@nzzp said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
You can even see him being robbed by Tana in this video
https://www.facebook.com/hurricanesrugby/videos/559435791366249/
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John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
Those 50 point drubbings were some of the best rugby the All Blacks have ever played. We blew them off the park. He was also a very early adopter of using the bench as a weapon - E.G. unleashing a fizzing Meeuws in the final quarter - which set the ABs apart in the years to come.
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
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@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
Those 50 point drubbings were some of the best rugby the All Blacks have ever played. We blew them off the park. He was also a very early adopter of using the bench as a weapon - E.G. unleashing a fizzing Meeuws in the final quarter - which set the ABs apart in the years to come.
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
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@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
Maybe Rodders gets awarded the try this time.
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@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
Maybe Rodders gets awarded the try this time.
@Bovidae said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
Maybe Rodders gets awarded the try this time.
As long as Dickinson isn't the ref, we'd probably do OK.
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@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
Maybe Rodders gets awarded the try this time.
@Bovidae said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
Maybe Rodders gets awarded the try this time.
And maybe Dougie gets called for offside for once.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
I also think his public persona/personality doesn't/didn't do him any favours either (not saying ideally it should matter but it does). He's an aloof kind of bloke. Talk of journeys etc.
which no one would have given a toss about if he had won the World Cup like we all pretty much expected.
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
I also think his public persona/personality doesn't/didn't do him any favours either (not saying ideally it should matter but it does). He's an aloof kind of bloke. Talk of journeys etc.
which no one would have given a toss about if he had won the World Cup like we all pretty much expected.
I have my doubts about that. He alienated the public, the media, the administrators, the sponsors.
As I've said previously Keith Quinn's book on the '03 RWC had a quote about how it would be "awkward" if the ABs actually won.
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@mariner4life
New Zealand: Mils Muliaina, Doug Howlett, Leon MacDonald, Aaron Mauger, Joe Rokocoko, Carlos Spencer, Justin Marshall (Byron Kelleher 48min), Jerry Collins (Mrty Holah 73min), Richie McCaw, Reuben Thorne (c), Ali Williams (Brad Thorn 58min), Chris Jack, Greg Sommerville, Keven Mealamu, Dave Hewett (Kee Meeuws 48min/70min).Replacements not used: Daniel Carter, Mark Hammett
Australia: Mat Rogers (Joe Roff 29min blood bin), Wendell Sailor, Stirling Mortlock (Joe Roff 72min), Elton Flatley (Nathan Grey 64min blood bin), Lote Tuqiri, Stephen Larkham, George Gregan (c), David Lyons, Phil Waugh, George Smith (Matt Cockbain 72min), Nathan Sharpe (David Giffin 24min blood bin/40+min), Justin Harrison, Ben Darwin (Al Baxter 49min), Brendan Cannon (Jeremy Paul 49min), Bill Young.
@Toddy said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life
New Zealand: Mils Muliaina, Doug Howlett, Leon MacDonald, Aaron Mauger, Joe Rokocoko, Carlos Spencer, Justin Marshall (Byron Kelleher 48min), Jerry Collins (Mrty Holah 73min), Richie McCaw, Reuben Thorne (c), Ali Williams (Brad Thorn 58min), Chris Jack, Greg Sommerville, Keven Mealamu, Dave Hewett (Kee Meeuws 48min/70min).Replacements not used: Daniel Carter, Mark Hammett
Australia: Mat Rogers (Joe Roff 29min blood bin), Wendell Sailor, Stirling Mortlock (Joe Roff 72min), Elton Flatley (Nathan Grey 64min blood bin), Lote Tuqiri, Stephen Larkham, George Gregan (c), David Lyons, Phil Waugh, George Smith (Matt Cockbain 72min), Nathan Sharpe (David Giffin 24min blood bin/40+min), Justin Harrison, Ben Darwin (Al Baxter 49min), Brendan Cannon (Jeremy Paul 49min), Bill Young.
BTW Mils scored.
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@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
Don't start me on the inadequacies of the officials in that case.
So'oialo gained a PT. Not awarded. And the bullshit legend of the 6 man scrum was born.
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@Bovidae said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
Maybe Rodders gets awarded the try this time.
And maybe Dougie gets called for offside for once.
@Catogrande said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Bovidae said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
If Mils gets rightly awarded that try in the semi, then we break the Aussies backs and march into the final as odds on favourites. Then he gets remembered very differently.
Where his eight man scrum still can't push six poms backwards..?
Maybe Rodders gets awarded the try this time.
And maybe Dougie gets called for offside for once.
Why would he be if he wasn't? ...
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@Toddy said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life
New Zealand: Mils Muliaina, Doug Howlett, Leon MacDonald, Aaron Mauger, Joe Rokocoko, Carlos Spencer, Justin Marshall (Byron Kelleher 48min), Jerry Collins (Mrty Holah 73min), Richie McCaw, Reuben Thorne (c), Ali Williams (Brad Thorn 58min), Chris Jack, Greg Sommerville, Keven Mealamu, Dave Hewett (Kee Meeuws 48min/70min).Replacements not used: Daniel Carter, Mark Hammett
Australia: Mat Rogers (Joe Roff 29min blood bin), Wendell Sailor, Stirling Mortlock (Joe Roff 72min), Elton Flatley (Nathan Grey 64min blood bin), Lote Tuqiri, Stephen Larkham, George Gregan (c), David Lyons, Phil Waugh, George Smith (Matt Cockbain 72min), Nathan Sharpe (David Giffin 24min blood bin/40+min), Justin Harrison, Ben Darwin (Al Baxter 49min), Brendan Cannon (Jeremy Paul 49min), Bill Young.
BTW Mils scored.
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@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
I heard Mortlock speak about it at a function. He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
Yeah, it's always good to see Eddie getting his priorities right - beating the AB's is far more important than winning the RWC.
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John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
I put those results more down to a red-hot, "un-seen" backline with one of the most exciting, skilful and unpredictable players in the world at that time in career-best form. Well, that and Deans
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At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
Fuck me that parallels between that team and the one that got knocked out the RWC by England in 2019 are eery... (save that one was an improvement on what had come before and the other a significant downgrade).
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@taniwharugby Can't agree with that. Yes, a turning point, but the Aussies rumbled us all day with their game plan.
@MajorRage said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@taniwharugby Can't agree with that. Yes, a turning point, but the Aussies rumbled us all day with their game plan.
Well, we just don't know do we? I mean, what's to say that Aus don't completely bottle it after going down to an early try? There's no doubt that their and the crowd's confidence grew enormously after the Mortlock try. I was there - you could feel it (and, conversely, you could see the AB energy levels begin to dip).
Scoring early was a massive moment for them. As was the Tuilagi try last year.
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Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
Yes and then they put huge pressure on every line out. Again, parallels with 2019 are quite staggering.
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@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
I put those results more down to a red-hot, "un-seen" backline with one of the most exciting, skilful and unpredictable players in the world at that time in career-best form. Well, that and Deans
@junior said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
I put those results more down to a red-hot, "un-seen" backline with one of the most exciting, skilful and unpredictable players in the world at that time in career-best form. Well, that and Deans
Don’t forget they really just adopted Henry’s Blues tactics ... in the semi they just forgot to tell the forwards to play their role.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
I heard Mortlock speak about it at a function. He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
Yep, he did the same last year too. The performance in the final was telling.
@MajorRage said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
I heard Mortlock speak about it at a function. He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
Yep, he did the same last year too. The performance in the final was telling.
Yeah it's a bit of a feature of his international coaching career - some all-time against-the-odds victories at RWCs that ultimately led to nothing
