Cricket: NZ vs Aus
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@canefan And you've timed it badly too. If this series was last year then it may have been a very different result.
But against a settled team, with a fit Cummins and a new emerging talent in Marnus... it's a very different story.
@barbarian said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@canefan And you've timed it badly too. If this series was last year then it may have been a very different result.
But against a settled team, with a fit Cummins and a new emerging talent in Marnus... it's a very different story.
Yep no doubt we missed out when the Aus side was depleted. But shit I expected a hell of a lot better. Kane has choked on the big stage, Ross has been OK but again not nearly enough runs. And our other supporting cast who have been fucking excellent the last 2 - 3 years haven't come to play at all.
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How many wickets has Lyon taken this series? Santner isn't the answer, even a cricket layman can see that. Sommerville would give us a couple of years I reckon, he should have played given his familiarity with the opposition players and the conditions. Unfortunately selecting Mitch was us shooting ourselves in the foot. Too many passengers in this side are being exposed
@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@kev said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido looking at this now (hindsight) the preparation of this team hasn’t been right to deal with the challenges - Coaches and Selectors will need to think about this for next time. The batsmen have all struggled with the bounce (more than the speed though they are additive ). And don’t know what they are doing with our spinners - getting a bit complicated? They have selected Ajaz and Sommerville for sub continent, but revert to Santner and Astle for this tour.
What the fark is that about? They can't use the "horses for courses" chestnut because Sommerville has played a lot of Sheffield Shield cricket for NSW so knows the players and the conditions. It is mystifying
Basically, I don't think Kane backs his spinner to lead the attack. In some ways Wagner does the spinner role. He bowls heaps of overs with the older ball and can tie down an end. I don't think a spinner who bowls a lot of overs fits into that plan. Somerville and Ajaz just aren't good enough with the bat. So Astle/Santner are basically competing for one spot.
When we go to the sub continent, the spinners are going to bowl all day so don't need to bat to justify their spot.
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BTW, Kane has failed in three innings sure. Kane is not a choker though. He has stood up on plenty of occasions and got big runs. He got two big centuries on the last tour of Australia. He has come up against a good bowling attack - it just doesn't help that everyone seems to have failed all at once.
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Aus will bat again to give their bowlers a break.
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@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@kev said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido looking at this now (hindsight) the preparation of this team hasn’t been right to deal with the challenges - Coaches and Selectors will need to think about this for next time. The batsmen have all struggled with the bounce (more than the speed though they are additive ). And don’t know what they are doing with our spinners - getting a bit complicated? They have selected Ajaz and Sommerville for sub continent, but revert to Santner and Astle for this tour.
What the fark is that about? They can't use the "horses for courses" chestnut because Sommerville has played a lot of Sheffield Shield cricket for NSW so knows the players and the conditions. It is mystifying
Basically, I don't think Kane backs his spinner to lead the attack. In some ways Wagner does the spinner role. He bowls heaps of overs with the older ball and can tie down an end. I don't think a spinner who bowls a lot of overs fits into that plan. Somerville and Ajaz just aren't good enough with the bat. So Astle/Santner are basically competing for one spot.
When we go to the sub continent, the spinners are going to bowl all day so don't need to bat to justify their spot.
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@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
Yep, Raval would have been a better option at number eight. He'd bat alright there and at least can actually spin a cricket ball FFS
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@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
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Roll them for 50 odd and chase down 360 for a famous win,
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This has been the best we've played in a long long time. Our batting has been disciplined, our bowling has been accurate and aggressive.
Having a solid presence at first drop makes an enormous difference. It means Smith is coming in at 2/100, rather than 2/30.
NZ have bowled well and I think against previous iterations of this side may have skittled us for under 300. But we've shown uncharacteristic patience and ability to bat through long periods without losing a wicket.
The Kiwi batting has been pretty shithouse though. I've been pretty disappointed with Kane especially. Not sure the 'big 3' really exists anymore. It's Smith and Kohli and then a big gap to the rest at the moment.
@barbarian said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
The Kiwi batting has been pretty shithouse though. I've been pretty disappointed with Kane especially. Not sure the 'big 3' really exists anymore. It's Smith and Kohli and then a big gap to the rest at the moment.
Mind you - at the CWC you would have said the Big 2 were Williamson and Kohli and even Virat was resting on his laurels a bit.
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
Yep, Raval would have been a better option at number eight. He'd bat alright there and at least can actually spin a cricket ball FFS
@Donsteppa said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
Yep, Raval would have been a better option at number eight. He'd bat alright there and at least can actually spin a cricket ball FFS
The reverse Mark Richardson!
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God fucking Erasmus never ever calls it our way.
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
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All out for a 20/20 score in a test. That's just embarrassing. Apart from Latham, who at least stuck around for a while, the rest were shithouse.
It is so galling, that on this big stage, great venue we haven't been awarded in so long, we perform like a bunch of muppets. I'm so gutted at this. Strongest side we've sent in ages, and Aussie are having a field day because our senior players have forgotten how to hold a bat and/or occupy the crease.
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Our batting has some issues - we're batting a keeper as an opener because apparently domestic cricket isn't developing test quality openers, using our actual keeper at number 6, and playing Santner as an all rounder in case we need his batting, but now Santner's bowling isn't up to even holding up an end, so it's being found out as a plan.
Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Nicholls is an excellent specialist batting spine, but we've still got weaknesses i.e. the other opener, and obviously we feel we need a batting number 8 for some reason, even though Watling and CdG do pretty well at 6-7. Meanwhile, we don't have any other medium term spinning options because the others don't really take wickets and can't bat as well as Santner.
Maybe we just need to bite the bullet, play a 4th seamer, Kane rolls the arm over where required, and we accept that number 8 isn't actually a batting position.
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
apparently domestic cricket isn't developing test quality openers
We've always struggled there.
In my time - Latham, Richardson, Wright, Edgar, maybe a couple of others are about it. Did Turner open in tests? I didn't see much of him.
