Cricket: NZ vs Aus
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@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
Yep, Raval would have been a better option at number eight. He'd bat alright there and at least can actually spin a cricket ball FFS
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@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
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Roll them for 50 odd and chase down 360 for a famous win,
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This has been the best we've played in a long long time. Our batting has been disciplined, our bowling has been accurate and aggressive.
Having a solid presence at first drop makes an enormous difference. It means Smith is coming in at 2/100, rather than 2/30.
NZ have bowled well and I think against previous iterations of this side may have skittled us for under 300. But we've shown uncharacteristic patience and ability to bat through long periods without losing a wicket.
The Kiwi batting has been pretty shithouse though. I've been pretty disappointed with Kane especially. Not sure the 'big 3' really exists anymore. It's Smith and Kohli and then a big gap to the rest at the moment.
@barbarian said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
The Kiwi batting has been pretty shithouse though. I've been pretty disappointed with Kane especially. Not sure the 'big 3' really exists anymore. It's Smith and Kohli and then a big gap to the rest at the moment.
Mind you - at the CWC you would have said the Big 2 were Williamson and Kohli and even Virat was resting on his laurels a bit.
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
Yep, Raval would have been a better option at number eight. He'd bat alright there and at least can actually spin a cricket ball FFS
@Donsteppa said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
Yep, Raval would have been a better option at number eight. He'd bat alright there and at least can actually spin a cricket ball FFS
The reverse Mark Richardson!
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God fucking Erasmus never ever calls it our way.
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
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All out for a 20/20 score in a test. That's just embarrassing. Apart from Latham, who at least stuck around for a while, the rest were shithouse.
It is so galling, that on this big stage, great venue we haven't been awarded in so long, we perform like a bunch of muppets. I'm so gutted at this. Strongest side we've sent in ages, and Aussie are having a field day because our senior players have forgotten how to hold a bat and/or occupy the crease.
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Our batting has some issues - we're batting a keeper as an opener because apparently domestic cricket isn't developing test quality openers, using our actual keeper at number 6, and playing Santner as an all rounder in case we need his batting, but now Santner's bowling isn't up to even holding up an end, so it's being found out as a plan.
Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Nicholls is an excellent specialist batting spine, but we've still got weaknesses i.e. the other opener, and obviously we feel we need a batting number 8 for some reason, even though Watling and CdG do pretty well at 6-7. Meanwhile, we don't have any other medium term spinning options because the others don't really take wickets and can't bat as well as Santner.
Maybe we just need to bite the bullet, play a 4th seamer, Kane rolls the arm over where required, and we accept that number 8 isn't actually a batting position.
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
apparently domestic cricket isn't developing test quality openers
We've always struggled there.
In my time - Latham, Richardson, Wright, Edgar, maybe a couple of others are about it. Did Turner open in tests? I didn't see much of him.
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Piss off the bat is behind the pad.
@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Piss off the bat is behind the pad.
Yep, pad then bat. The only way that can be an inside edge is if BJ bowled it.
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@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Piss off the bat is behind the pad.
Yep, pad then bat. The only way that can be an inside edge is if BJ bowled it.
@Snowy said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Piss off the bat is behind the pad.
Yep, pad then bat. The only way that can be an inside edge is if BJ bowled it.
Ian Smith rolled over on this in the commentary as well. Just like our batsmen.
No luck in decisions to go with some poor batting. Too hear Tim Paine talk it was like the Australians were unlucky with DRS. In fact it was the opposite and he was just working the media.
Now the bowlers look knackered. Bowled a lot of overs in 1.5 tests ( one bowler down, no runs or time from the batters ).
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@Rapido looking at this now (hindsight) the preparation of this team hasn’t been right to deal with the challenges - Coaches and Selectors will need to think about this for next time. The batsmen have all struggled with the bounce (more than the speed though they are additive ). And don’t know what they are doing with our spinners - getting a bit complicated? They have selected Ajaz and Sommerville for sub continent, but revert to Santner and Astle for this tour.
@kev said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido looking at this now (hindsight) the preparation of this team hasn’t been right to deal with the challenges - Coaches and Selectors will need to think about this for next time. The batsmen have all struggled with the bounce (more than the speed though they are additive ). And don’t know what they are doing with our spinners - getting a bit complicated? They have selected Ajaz and Sommerville for sub continent, but revert to Santner and Astle for this tour.
Doesn't matter what coaches and selectors will think about next time if ther administrators land them with a lemon schedule.
NZC barely care about test cricket, they care even less about away test cricket. They wont do anything different. Then what magic can coaches and selectors do when players are still playing cricket from a different continent half way through the series.
Pity the poor suckers who paid to travel to Melbourne without considering this fact.
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
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@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
Jimmy Neesham?
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
Jimmy Neesham?
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
Jimmy Neesham?
Could do worse
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Still lots of gaps in the Aussie team though. Wade, Head and then Paine is a weak 5, 6, 7 (especially in foreign conditions). They also don't pick a proper all-rounder. I don't think they are anywhere near India's level although it will be good to see the series next year.
Also, I wonder who they will pick as their spinner when Lyon goes which could happen in the next two years.
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Still lots of gaps in the Aussie team though. Wade, Head and then Paine is a weak 5, 6, 7 (especially in foreign conditions).
That's what I thought. But I'd take their production from our 5 6 7.
