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@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
I think it just puts the onus at the club level.
People will refuse to play and it will be detrimental to the game. The team with bloke in it, will be known as the team with a bloke in it and players won't go on the pitch. It's a proper proper shoot yourself in the foot situation.
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@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
Dogma-driven arseholes.....
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@sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
Dogma-driven arseholes.....
Probably saw the flack Harry Potter Rowling copped when she commented on this issue and thought best to avoid the furore. Personally I would have thought player welfare should come well before the insane rantings of a very vocal but tiny minority, but I guess mob rule rules the day, even if that mob is nothing more than a bunch of angry morons on a keyboard.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
Dogma-driven arseholes.....
angry morons on a keyboard.
Hey! Just where do you think you posted that?
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@Machpants said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@TeWaio said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Bonkers, isn't this incredibly dangerous?
RFU clears trans women to keep playing domestic women's rugby in England
Trans women will still be allowed to play women’s rugby at all levels of the game in England after the RFU decided that more evidence was needed before implementing World Rugby’s ban
Dogma-driven arseholes.....
angry morons on a keyboard.
Hey! Just where do you think you posted that?
That's why they should just be ignored! Imagine if the NZRFU made decisions based on the opinions here? Foster would have been "cancelled" by Sunday night. That's effectively what's happening with issues like this and others.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel fucken sign me up!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Foster would have been "cancelled" by Sunday night.
He wouldn't have got the job in the first place I suspect.
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I reckon to ask any almost rugby-loving transman if they'd like to play rugby with a senior men's rugby team. Any level but must be full contact. The answer will almost always be no for fear of injury. I can only find on the incidence of a transman playing any type of men's rugby. Even then he had to give it up because of the effect it was having on his body.
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If there was enough of them around they could have their own grade but until then they should probably play in the Mens/open grades until assessed on a case by case basis. A lot of the smaller ladies are only about 60kg, a man transitioning to women who was a forward could be double that. A Valerie Adams sized transman could possibly handle a mens club game or U85 game.
Articles I found of people transitioning both ways and playing with women. One was spoken too by World rugby I believe.
Transgender rugby player: ‘I’ve had blood spat in my mouth’ | CNN
Trangender rugby player Verity Smith on playing rugby while in transition.
She folded an opponent "like a deckchair".
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Who is surprised?
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Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds
Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones
A groundbreaking new study on transgender athletes has found trans women retain a 12% advantage in running tests even after taking hormones for two years to suppress their testosterone. The results, researchers suggest, indicate the current International Olympic Committee guidelines may give trans women an “unfair competitive advantage” over biological women. The research, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, found that before starting their hormone treatment trans women performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in one minute on average than a biological women younger than 30 in the air force – and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster. Yet after suppressing their testosterone for two years – a year longer than IOC guidelines – they were still 12% faster on average than biological females. The trans women also retained a 10% advantage in push-ups and a 6% advantage in sit-ups for the first two years after taking hormones, before their advantage disappeared. But the researchers say they “may underestimate the advantage in strength that trans women have over cis women … because trans women will have a higher power output than cis women when performing an equivalent number of push-ups”. -
@gt12 said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
Who is surprised?
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Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds
Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones
A groundbreaking new study on transgender athletes has found trans women retain a 12% advantage in running tests even after taking hormones for two years to suppress their testosterone. The results, researchers suggest, indicate the current International Olympic Committee guidelines may give trans women an “unfair competitive advantage” over biological women. The research, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, found that before starting their hormone treatment trans women performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in one minute on average than a biological women younger than 30 in the air force – and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster. Yet after suppressing their testosterone for two years – a year longer than IOC guidelines – they were still 12% faster on average than biological females. The trans women also retained a 10% advantage in push-ups and a 6% advantage in sit-ups for the first two years after taking hormones, before their advantage disappeared. But the researchers say they “may underestimate the advantage in strength that trans women have over cis women … because trans women will have a higher power output than cis women when performing an equivalent number of push-ups”.I can only include that everybody who did this test, and didn't get the response that goes with correct thinking, is bigoted. This also applies to you for posting it.
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Bigoted thinking ahead:
Spend the money getting these people the help they so desperately need.
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@Tim said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
@gt12 So 12% would be on the order of 1 second in a 100m race, which is a rather large difference at Olympic level ...
The hormone suppressant thing also can't suppress natural advantages that developed during puberty when tester one levels are sky-rocketing. These include height, limb length, should width, palm and fist size - all very significant biomechanical factors that simply can't be "suppressed"
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what amazes me is that this is surprising to some folk. I wound up in a decent argument with a relative who considers me a trans hater because I think the access to protected classes should be tighter.
For clarity, I am a strong supporter of people living their lives how they wish, with whatever pronouns make them happy. Honestly, I just don't think it's one of the most important things for our society to be focussing on.
Anyhoo, not surprised, and probably a sensible move. There are a bunch of cases showing people complying with the IOC regs, and then dominating their fields from nowhere. Good to see science supporting field observations
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@nzzp said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:
what amazes me is that this is surprising to some folk. I wound up in a decent argument with a relative who considers me a trans hater because I think the access to protected classes should be tighter.
For clarity, I am a strong supporter of people living their lives how they wish, with whatever pronouns make them happy. Honestly, I just don't think it's one of the most important things for our society to be focussing on.
Anyhoo, not surprised, and probably a sensible move. There are a bunch of cases showing people complying with the IOC regs, and then dominating their fields from nowhere. Good to see science supporting field observations
I often wonder how much trans people really agree with the activists.
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Very unscientific observation but had this bootcamp thing yesterday and at the end we all had to do pull-ups to failure. Even the moderately fit guys destroyed the very fit women. The difference in upper body strength is enormous.
Transgender debate, in sport, in general
