World Rugby Board elections

Bovidae

All countries/regions having only one vote would definitely change the voting outcomes.

gt12

Good point, however I think that if Japan had to choose between playing the ABs once a year as a price to join us, it’d would happen. No other team comes close, except maybe the boks.

Chris B.

@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.

So, Bill got two of the remaining 4.

I guess if you see England playing a test against Tonga....

Nepia

@Bovidae That does it then, fuck the PIs going forward, lets just cap every NZer of Samoan/Tongan ancestry even if it's just once. :winking_face:

Kirwan

@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Kirwan How much of their business was competing vs complemetary at the time?

Smart phones at least. Apple also tried to kickstart cloud services back in they day (that sucked). Plenty of overlap.

Chris B.

@Kirwan said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Kirwan How much of their business was competing vs complemetary at the time?

Smart phones at least. Apple also tried to kickstart cloud services back in they day (that sucked). Plenty of overlap.

Though happily for me, Google's search engine is still pretty good - and helps illustrate both sides of the case - i.e. that eventually a conflict of interest threshold can get crossed.

https://techcrunch.com/2009/08/03/google-ceo-eric-schmidt-resigns-from-apple-board-surprised/

Question in the rugby vs league one is where that threshold lies.

Bovidae

@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.

I agree. The question is whether Africa voted with SA and if Oceania followed Fiji and Samoa or NZ and Aust.

Google says that the Asia rep is Ada Milby from the Philippines, the Oceania rep is Richard Sapias from PNG, and the Africa rep is Abdelaziz Bougja from Morocco.

Bovidae

@Nepia said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Bovidae That does it then, fuck the PIs going forward, lets just cap every NZer of Samoan/Tongan ancestry even if it's just once. :winking_face:

Beaumont's promise to revisit the eligibility rule appears to have been the sweetner for Fiji and Samoa. Until Scotland and Italy vote against it...

booboo

@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:

@gt12

Who do you think Japan voted for? They would have been one of the swing votes.

Fiji and Samoa voted for Beaumont, and maybe Oceania did too so they might be happy with the status quo and promises made.

Pichot (16 votes)
Argentina (3)
Australia (3)
New Zealand (3)
Canada (1)
United States (1)
Uruguay (1)
South America (2)
Americas North (2)

Beaumont (24 votes)
England (3)
France (3)
Ireland (3)
Italy (3)
Scotland (3)
Wales (3)
Georgia (1)
Fiji (1)
Samoa (1)
Romania (1)
Europe (2)

Unknown (11 votes)
South Africa (3)
Japan (2)
Africa (2)
Asia (2)
Oceania (2)

Beaumont only needed an extra 4 votes so it could have been Japan and Asia that got him over the line.

28-23

Japan voted Beaumont.

booboo

@Tim said in World Rugby Board elections:

Rediculous that Italy gets three votes.

Moranic

booboo

@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.

So, Bill got two of the remaining 4.

I guess if you see England playing a test against Tonga....

I think Oceania voted Gus. Tonga don't have a vote.

booboo

@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.

I agree. The question is whether Africa voted with SA and if Oceania followed Fiji and Samoa or NZ and Aust.

Google says that the Asia rep is Ada Milby from the Philippines, the Oceania rep is Richard Sapias from PNG, and the Africa rep is Abdelaziz Bougja from Morocco.

See post above. Oceania voted Gus

gt12

@booboo

Then fuck them too. Probably pay back for the SWs and the SANZAAR missed opportunity to extend the RC competition and bring both Japan and Fiji into the tent - those two votes would probably make the SANZAR bloc as strong as the 6N.

Another missed opportunity.

Bovidae

@booboo So you reckon Asia and Japan voted for Beaumont?

NZR's statement:

NZR Chair, Brent Impey said: “We have a great respect for Bill Beaumont as an individual, and we look forward to continuing to work with him to grow the game globally and keep rugby 
sustainable across all borders.
 
“We are of course disappointed for Agustin Pichot as he had our vote, and it is important to us that whoever won the election will heed the calls for change to the game.
 
“Gus ran a strong campaign and gave his best effort in a highly principled manner and that is all that can be asked, so we are proud of him.
 
“There is still a level of governance reform that is overdue, and it would be good to see the courage taken to make the decisions needed to ensure the continued sustainability and success of
 rugby globally – not just for a limited number of Unions and regions.”

gt12

@Bovidae

Sources close to Pichot believed the vote was as close as 24-23 in Beaumont’s favour when Japan and Rugby Africa were yet to declare their intentions, but both have backed the incumbent.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/may/02/bill-beaumont-beats-agustin-pichot-in-battle-for-control-of-world-rugby

booboo

@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:

@booboo So you reckon Asia and Japan voted for Beaumont?

NZR's statement:

NZR Chair, Brent Impey said: “We have a great respect for Bill Beaumont as an individual, and we look forward to continuing to work with him to grow the game globally and keep rugby 
sustainable across all borders.
 
“We are of course disappointed for Agustin Pichot as he had our vote, and it is important to us that whoever won the election will heed the calls for change to the game.
 
“Gus ran a strong campaign and gave his best effort in a highly principled manner and that is all that can be asked, so we are proud of him.
 
**“There is still a level of governance reform that is overdue, and it would be good to see the courage taken to make the decisions needed to ensure the continued sustainability and success of
 rugby globally – not just for a limited number of Unions and regions.”**

Think Asia voted Gus.

Chris Jones talking to Devlin just after 12 said:

PIs (Fiji, Samoa and Oceania) split their votes 2-2
Asia (Japan and Asia) split their votes 2-2

gt12

@Bovidae

The votes of Japan, Fiji and Rugby Africa are thought to have swung a tight battle Beaumont's way.

https://www.thestar.com.my/sport/rugby/2020/05/02/beaumont-re-elected-as-world-rugby-chairman

Chris B.

@booboo said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Chris-B said in World Rugby Board elections:

@Bovidae If Beaumont ended up with 28 votes, then maths tells us SA must have voted for Gus. And you'd imagine the Sanzar countries would have voted as a bloc.

So, Bill got two of the remaining 4.

I guess if you see England playing a test against Tonga....

I think Oceania voted Gus. Tonga don't have a vote.

Yeah - my England game against Tonga would be pay-off for the Oceania vote.

PN

SA site seems to show who exactly voted for whom. Many regions did the spineless thing where the country voted one and the region voted the other to stay neutral. In the end, the 6n block being bigger than 4n won it for the old guard. Pichot actually got 1 more vote when the two blocks are omitted

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/who-voted-for-whom-in-battle-for-world-rugby-top-job-20200502

Bovidae

The graphic from the article. Some of the tier 2 nations didn't vote as expected.

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