'Super Rugby' 2021
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
no, the argument is mainly
you already cut a team, for very good reasons. Why bring it back?
Because it's funded by a guy bringing some spare cash, who is probably worth like 10% of NZ's annual GDP.
@Kiap said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
no, the argument is mainly
you already cut a team, for very good reasons. Why bring it back?
Because it's funded by a guy bringing some spare cash, who is probably worth like 10% of NZ's annual GDP.
How long do people think he's going to bankroll this vanity project once he no longer gets the recognition? I genuinely don't understand why people are willing to die on the hill for the Force. Only once in their entire SR participation did they finish with a positive points difference. Their highest table position was seventh. Their squad now is a list of unknowns and retirees.
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@Kiap said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
no, the argument is mainly
you already cut a team, for very good reasons. Why bring it back?
Because it's funded by a guy bringing some spare cash, who is probably worth like 10% of NZ's annual GDP.
How long do people think he's going to bankroll this vanity project once he no longer gets the recognition? I genuinely don't understand why people are willing to die on the hill for the Force. Only once in their entire SR participation did they finish with a positive points difference. Their highest table position was seventh. Their squad now is a list of unknowns and retirees.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiap said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
no, the argument is mainly
you already cut a team, for very good reasons. Why bring it back?
Because it's funded by a guy bringing some spare cash, who is probably worth like 10% of NZ's annual GDP.
How long do people think he's going to bankroll this vanity project once he no longer gets the recognition? I genuinely don't understand why people are willing to die on the hill for the Force. Only once in their entire SR participation did they finish with a positive points difference. Their highest table position was seventh. Their squad now is a list of unknowns and retirees.
now?
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean and that why i said 'pipe dream'.
The same pipe dream that had Argentina play SR...
The obvious difference being Argentina didn't have a thriving club competition awash with cash.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The obvious difference being Argentina didn't have a thriving club competition awash with cash.
Yeah, I think it's clear enough that Japan are interested in playing SH teams. Just not so much in a TT-style comp when they have their own regular season, but more a post-season Champs competition
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ah yes, the Great Western Hope, who absolutely does stuff out of the goodness of his heart.
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
ah yes, the Great Western Hope, who absolutely does stuff out of the goodness of his heart.
Lol. I never promised you a rose garden.
Still, short of a big fan ownership component, it's a far better option than the likes of CVC.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
ah yes, the Great Western Hope, who absolutely does stuff out of the goodness of his heart.
Lol. I never promised you a rose garden.
Still, short of a big fan ownership component, it's a far better option than the likes of CVC.
@Kiap said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
ah yes, the Great Western Hope, who absolutely does stuff out of the goodness of his heart.
Lol. I never promised you a rose garden.
Still, short of a big fan ownership component, it's a far better option than the likes of CVC.
private equity makes no sense to me. Of course i am well aware i am probably missing something.
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Where was Twiggy when FirePower wouldn't pay its bills?
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Where was Twiggy when FirePower wouldn't pay its bills?
2009? Dunno.
Is paying bills now.
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how much does teh Force cost now compared to what a full SuperTT Force would cost?
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The Twiggy thing is a mixture of three things:
- He's an opportunist fluffybunny;
- WA is known for having a wild mistrust of people "over east"; and
- Twiggy combining both things to flog a dead horse and make some mileage out of it.
If we were demonstrably capable of keeping players here with a 5th team, and introducing measures that allowed teams to rise in competitiveness, then I'd say 5 teams would be workable.
As it is, the Force have been plucky, but are hardly a walk-up start. They're an important development resource I think.
Coaching remains a big issue. Oh well and all the fucking connective tissue below that.
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
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The Twiggy thing is a mixture of three things:
- He's an opportunist fluffybunny;
- WA is known for having a wild mistrust of people "over east"; and
- Twiggy combining both things to flog a dead horse and make some mileage out of it.
If we were demonstrably capable of keeping players here with a 5th team, and introducing measures that allowed teams to rise in competitiveness, then I'd say 5 teams would be workable.
As it is, the Force have been plucky, but are hardly a walk-up start. They're an important development resource I think.
Coaching remains a big issue. Oh well and all the fucking connective tissue below that.
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
Sunsets?
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The Twiggy thing is a mixture of three things:
- He's an opportunist fluffybunny;
- WA is known for having a wild mistrust of people "over east"; and
- Twiggy combining both things to flog a dead horse and make some mileage out of it.
If we were demonstrably capable of keeping players here with a 5th team, and introducing measures that allowed teams to rise in competitiveness, then I'd say 5 teams would be workable.
As it is, the Force have been plucky, but are hardly a walk-up start. They're an important development resource I think.
Coaching remains a big issue. Oh well and all the fucking connective tissue below that.
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
Sydney is only Sydney east of the Anzac bridge, Nick. Everything else is "West".
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
how much does teh Force cost now compared to what a full SuperTT Force would cost?
Probably around half.
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drinking piss in Perth costs even more than it does in Sydney.
I don't know what the coke and rub-and-tug prices are like though
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@Kirwan this is what i was going to say, im getting sick of seeing "Overseas All Blacks XV" on social media
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan this is what i was going to say, im getting sick of seeing "Overseas All Balcks XV" on social media
Me too. The younger generation really can’t spell these days.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan this is what i was going to say, im getting sick of seeing "Overseas All Balcks XV" on social media
Me too. The younger generation really can’t spell these days.
@Billy-Tell younger generation? thank you!
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean who's going to be mid-table and bring in heaps of cash? Maybe if you invite the Japanese national team but otherwise im drawing blanks.
That's why suggested the Brave Blossoms: 'If
Argentinathe Jaguares could play SR, why not the Brave Blossoms?'@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean who's going to be mid-table and bring in heaps of cash? Maybe if you invite the Japanese national team but otherwise im drawing blanks.
That's why suggested the Brave Blossoms: 'If
Argentinathe Jaguares could play SR, why not the Brave Blossoms?'That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
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@shark I think we would at least have the Brumbies in the final four, who were coming second before lockdown.
But, regardless, i really don't see the issue for you. If you have four finalists isn't that great? you get two home semis and derbies to boot.
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark I think we would at least have the Brumbies in the final four, who were coming second before lockdown.
But, regardless, i really don't see the issue for you. If you have four finalists isn't that great? you get two home semis and derbies to boot.
Yeah I'm into it mate. The proof will be in the pudding. Such as the season Australia only got a team into an 8 team finals series on the back of a terribly contrived conference qualification system.
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With say 6 teams (in a 10 team comp) qualifying for finals footy, and the 1/2 spot getting a bye, I could live with a free entry for the first 2 in each of the 2 conferences. The proviso being that all home field advantage is based off the combined points table throughout the finals. If NZ have 5 teams, I couldn't care less about the last of those teams getting a playoff berth.
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean and that why i said 'pipe dream'.
The same pipe dream that had Argentina play SR...
The obvious difference being Argentina didn't have a thriving club competition awash with cash.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean and that why i said 'pipe dream'.
The same pipe dream that had Argentina play SR...
The obvious difference being Argentina didn't have a thriving club competition awash with cash.
Argentina is unique amongst Tier 1 nation, in that its best Club competitions are Amateur. Biggest one being URBA based in Buenos Aires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unión_de_Rugby_de_Buenos_Aires
Moreover the UAR has encouraged its played to head overseas
Likes of Kremer, Petti, Orlando etc have already left Jaguares
Quesada gone to Stade Francais
