'Super Rugby' 2021
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The Twiggy thing is a mixture of three things:
- He's an opportunist fluffybunny;
- WA is known for having a wild mistrust of people "over east"; and
- Twiggy combining both things to flog a dead horse and make some mileage out of it.
If we were demonstrably capable of keeping players here with a 5th team, and introducing measures that allowed teams to rise in competitiveness, then I'd say 5 teams would be workable.
As it is, the Force have been plucky, but are hardly a walk-up start. They're an important development resource I think.
Coaching remains a big issue. Oh well and all the fucking connective tissue below that.
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
Sunsets?
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The Twiggy thing is a mixture of three things:
- He's an opportunist fluffybunny;
- WA is known for having a wild mistrust of people "over east"; and
- Twiggy combining both things to flog a dead horse and make some mileage out of it.
If we were demonstrably capable of keeping players here with a 5th team, and introducing measures that allowed teams to rise in competitiveness, then I'd say 5 teams would be workable.
As it is, the Force have been plucky, but are hardly a walk-up start. They're an important development resource I think.
Coaching remains a big issue. Oh well and all the fucking connective tissue below that.
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
If you offer players the opportunity to live and work in Sydney then why the fuck would they take Perth?
Sydney is only Sydney east of the Anzac bridge, Nick. Everything else is "West".
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
how much does teh Force cost now compared to what a full SuperTT Force would cost?
Probably around half.
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drinking piss in Perth costs even more than it does in Sydney.
I don't know what the coke and rub-and-tug prices are like though
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@Kirwan this is what i was going to say, im getting sick of seeing "Overseas All Blacks XV" on social media
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan this is what i was going to say, im getting sick of seeing "Overseas All Balcks XV" on social media
Me too. The younger generation really can’t spell these days.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan this is what i was going to say, im getting sick of seeing "Overseas All Balcks XV" on social media
Me too. The younger generation really can’t spell these days.
@Billy-Tell younger generation? thank you!
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean who's going to be mid-table and bring in heaps of cash? Maybe if you invite the Japanese national team but otherwise im drawing blanks.
That's why suggested the Brave Blossoms: 'If
Argentinathe Jaguares could play SR, why not the Brave Blossoms?'@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean who's going to be mid-table and bring in heaps of cash? Maybe if you invite the Japanese national team but otherwise im drawing blanks.
That's why suggested the Brave Blossoms: 'If
Argentinathe Jaguares could play SR, why not the Brave Blossoms?'That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
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@shark I think we would at least have the Brumbies in the final four, who were coming second before lockdown.
But, regardless, i really don't see the issue for you. If you have four finalists isn't that great? you get two home semis and derbies to boot.
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark I think we would at least have the Brumbies in the final four, who were coming second before lockdown.
But, regardless, i really don't see the issue for you. If you have four finalists isn't that great? you get two home semis and derbies to boot.
Yeah I'm into it mate. The proof will be in the pudding. Such as the season Australia only got a team into an 8 team finals series on the back of a terribly contrived conference qualification system.
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With say 6 teams (in a 10 team comp) qualifying for finals footy, and the 1/2 spot getting a bye, I could live with a free entry for the first 2 in each of the 2 conferences. The proviso being that all home field advantage is based off the combined points table throughout the finals. If NZ have 5 teams, I couldn't care less about the last of those teams getting a playoff berth.
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean and that why i said 'pipe dream'.
The same pipe dream that had Argentina play SR...
The obvious difference being Argentina didn't have a thriving club competition awash with cash.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean and that why i said 'pipe dream'.
The same pipe dream that had Argentina play SR...
The obvious difference being Argentina didn't have a thriving club competition awash with cash.
Argentina is unique amongst Tier 1 nation, in that its best Club competitions are Amateur. Biggest one being URBA based in Buenos Aires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unión_de_Rugby_de_Buenos_Aires
Moreover the UAR has encouraged its played to head overseas
Likes of Kremer, Petti, Orlando etc have already left Jaguares
Quesada gone to Stade Francais -
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean who's going to be mid-table and bring in heaps of cash? Maybe if you invite the Japanese national team but otherwise im drawing blanks.
That's why suggested the Brave Blossoms: 'If
Argentinathe Jaguares could play SR, why not the Brave Blossoms?'That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
@pukunui said in ['Super Rugby' 2021]*
That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
Seen alot of chat about a PI team but don't get the appeal or sense
Better to have a 10 team TT comp Each team has Fijian, Tongan & Samoan player in matchday 23
30 players getting high level footy off the bat
Have World Rugby chip with paying the salaryJaps involvement also seems another dead on arrival proposition Top League will not let idea succeed just like Sunwolves Multinational companies pay big $$$ for their players
Jaguares showed Japs how to do things....
I want Japan & Fiji in expanded Rugby Championships
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@pukunui said in ['Super Rugby' 2021]*
That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
Seen alot of chat about a PI team but don't get the appeal or sense
Better to have a 10 team TT comp Each team has Fijian, Tongan & Samoan player in matchday 23
30 players getting high level footy off the bat
Have World Rugby chip with paying the salaryJaps involvement also seems another dead on arrival proposition Top League will not let idea succeed just like Sunwolves Multinational companies pay big $$$ for their players
Jaguares showed Japs how to do things....
I want Japan & Fiji in expanded Rugby Championships
@ravens88 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@pukunui said in ['Super Rugby' 2021]*
That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
Seen alot of chat about a PI team but don't get the appeal or sense
Better to have a 10 team TT comp Each team has Fijian, Tongan & Samoan player in matchday 23. 30 players getting high level footy off the bat
Have World Rugby chip with paying the salary
Japs involvement also seems another dead on arrival proposition Top League will not let idea succeed just like Sunwolves Multinational companies pay big $$$ for their players
Jaguares showed Japs how to do things....
I want Japan & Fiji in expanded Rugby Championships
That'll do a lot for developing the midfield backs, wingers, m and loose forwards for the island teams. They really need more talent there.
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@ravens88 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@pukunui said in ['Super Rugby' 2021]*
That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
Seen alot of chat about a PI team but don't get the appeal or sense
Better to have a 10 team TT comp Each team has Fijian, Tongan & Samoan player in matchday 23. 30 players getting high level footy off the bat
Have World Rugby chip with paying the salary
Japs involvement also seems another dead on arrival proposition Top League will not let idea succeed just like Sunwolves Multinational companies pay big $$$ for their players
Jaguares showed Japs how to do things....
I want Japan & Fiji in expanded Rugby Championships
That'll do a lot for developing the midfield backs, wingers, m and loose forwards for the island teams. They really need more talent there.
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@ravens88 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I don't get your point...
@gt12 is saying that if you do that, you get people playing to their strengths, and not fixing their weaknesses. There are advantages, but it isn't an easy path to success.
One of the things a PI team (or the other option ) solves is the problem with administration in the islands. Generalism, but they seem to suffer from patronage and poor choices around funds (that's as delicate as I can be), where an NZ based team should be focussed on rugby and coaching.
Edit: for clarity, lots of great outside backs, some midfield backs, few to no locks and props
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
You're using the term "finals" pretty loosely though. No different to top 8 in NRL. Shit, the top 16 make the NBA play-offs!
And yes, I understand the difference in team numbers.
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
I'd care by not bothering to watch and engage during the regular season.
Which is exactly what happened during SR. Terrible regular season attendances.
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@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
I'd care by not bothering to watch and engage during the regular season.
Which is exactly what happened during SR. Terrible regular season attendances.
@Rapido really? Getting a bye in round 1 by finishing 1st or 2nd isn't worth striving for? Finishing 3rd to play 6th rather than 4th to play 5th isn't worth it? Finishing 6th rather than 8th and getting a crack at a playoff challenge is of no interest?
It's pretty common for 50% of the teams to make the play-offs in some way across many leagues.
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@Rapido really? Getting a bye in round 1 by finishing 1st or 2nd isn't worth striving for? Finishing 3rd to play 6th rather than 4th to play 5th isn't worth it? Finishing 6th rather than 8th and getting a crack at a playoff challenge is of no interest?
It's pretty common for 50% of the teams to make the play-offs in some way across many leagues.
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido really? Getting a bye in round 1 by finishing 1st or 2nd isn't worth striving for? Finishing 3rd to play 6th rather than 4th to play 5th isn't worth it? Finishing 6th rather than 8th and getting a crack at a playoff challenge is of no interest?
It's pretty common for 50% of the teams to make the play-offs in some way across many leagues.
Maybe, I'm probably not best to ask on this.
I usually don't start following a SR season until May these days. But, I like cricket.
Plus I'm a curmudgeon easily dis-engaged by now by 20 odd years of decisions that make me like the game less and less. Jersey designs can tip my decision on whether to subscribe to sky for chrisakes. And DJs keep me to 1 or 2 live attendances per year max.
