'Super Rugby' 2021
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Is it poaching if the player leaves to pursue a dream?
"I wanted to play for the All Blacks, that was the main thing," Lomax said. "And it was about representing my family, getting back to New Zealand.
"I tried to picture myself playing for the Wallabies and wondering what it would feel like. It probably didn't feel right, to be honest. And I'm happy with how it's going so far."
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Is it poaching if the player leaves to pursue a dream?
"I wanted to play for the All Blacks, that was the main thing," Lomax said. "And it was about representing my family, getting back to New Zealand.
"I tried to picture myself playing for the Wallabies and wondering what it would feel like. It probably didn't feel right, to be honest. And I'm happy with how it's going so far."
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@antipodean Haha, Lomax was born and raised in NZ, so a Kiwi who moved to Australia. Not a poach.
@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean Haha, Lomax was born and raised in NZ, so a Kiwi who moved to Australia. Not a poach.
Nah I think you'll find he was born in Canberra while his father was playing for the Raiders.
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@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean Haha, Lomax was born and raised in NZ, so a Kiwi who moved to Australia. Not a poach.
Nah I think you'll find he was born in Canberra while his father was playing for the Raiders.
@antipodean Okay, I stand corrected, but there's no doubt he's a Kiwi and always was. Not a poach.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus not disputing, actual question, who?
At a guess he'll name Lomax.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus not disputing, actual question, who?
At a guess he'll name Lomax.
i hope not! he'd already played for the rebels...hardly a schoolboy
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@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean Okay, I stand corrected, but there's no doubt he's a Kiwi and always was. Not a poach.
Yes you can't deny the cultural pull can be very strong for some, especially in tight families if you grow up watching your parents barracking for a certain team.
One of my SILs in Qld was telling me that my nieces' school had a footy jersey day instead of school uniform and near half the class of one of them was decked out in All Blacks jerseys. She said near every kid was actually born in Australia.
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I'm curious which Australian schoolboys have been poached by NZ.
Tiaan Tauakipulu went from NZ to Aust late last year.
@Bovidae Taniela Tupou?
By the way, my earlier question was not about past poaches, but a possible increased risk of future poaches. The main culprits are NRL scouts, but if RA wants to widen the net and catch more Kiwi players, I think asking the question is justified.
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@Bovidae Taniela Tupou?
By the way, my earlier question was not about past poaches, but a possible increased risk of future poaches. The main culprits are NRL scouts, but if RA wants to widen the net and catch more Kiwi players, I think asking the question is justified.
@Stargazer Was Tupou in NZ before playing at Sacred Heart? I don't know.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
She said near every kid was actually born in Australia"
The Black blood runs deep.
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Where would Taniela Tupou rank if he had stayed in NZ? I personally think he's very good atm and has the potential to be a great player. I would have him on par with Laulala but behind Ofa.
@akan004 he'd be waaaaay better by now if he stayed here, cos, you know, NZ
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@KiwiMurph Convincing New Zealand to sanction its players playing in Australia will be a tough ask, but NZR is already funnelling players to Japan as a way of coping with the overseas player drain. It has been happening in an unofficial capacity for a number of years, with the likes of Taniela Tupou, Pete Samu and Sekope Kepu moving to Australia in search of opportunities.
So where's the benefit?
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph Convincing New Zealand to sanction its players playing in Australia will be a tough ask, but NZR is already funnelling players to Japan as a way of coping with the overseas player drain. It has been happening in an unofficial capacity for a number of years, with the likes of Taniela Tupou, Pete Samu and Sekope Kepu moving to Australia in search of opportunities.
So where's the benefit?
Isn't that the point?
The current crappy unofficial system means only non-nation tied players willing to flip nations move between the two.
So, there's no benefit to either.
Even the ARU having Pete Samu's wages paid by Crusaders and Ta$man for 3 or 4 years was of no use until they re-incorporated him into their own contracting system.
Daniel Braid playing for Queensland was of no use to the AB management.
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@akan004 he'd be waaaaay better by now if he stayed here, cos, you know, NZ
@taniwharugby said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@akan004 he'd be waaaaay better by now if he stayed here, cos, you know, NZ
True. If anything, his development has probably been accelerated as a result of moving to Australia. They tend to chuck more young players into their SR teams than we do due to having less depth. I think he would have had to wait a tad longer over here to play SR.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph Convincing New Zealand to sanction its players playing in Australia will be a tough ask, but NZR is already funnelling players to Japan as a way of coping with the overseas player drain. It has been happening in an unofficial capacity for a number of years, with the likes of Taniela Tupou, Pete Samu and Sekope Kepu moving to Australia in search of opportunities.
So where's the benefit?
Isn't that the point?
The current crappy unofficial system means only non-nation tied players willing to flip nations move between the two.
So, there's no benefit to either.
Even the ARU having Pete Samu's wages paid by Crusaders and Ta$man for 3 or 4 years was of no use until they re-incorporated him into their own contracting system.
Daniel Braid playing for Queensland was of no use to the AB management.
@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So, there's no benefit to either.
I see it differently: An erosion of depth from one to bolster another.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
As long as they only get our left overs, I'm fine with it.
Until we need 20 replacements in a season and have to use guys dramatically out of their depth.
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I'm curious which Australian schoolboys have been poached by NZ.
Tiaan Tauakipulu went from NZ to Aust late last year.
@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'm curious which Australian schoolboys have been poached by NZ.
Tiaan Tauakipulu went from NZ to Aust late last year.
The Crusaders recruited a lock and a 10 a couple of years ago, and it warranted a thread.
Parata is playing for Ta$man and has a Maori surname so is probably more of a liberated schoolboy. The lock - who's name escapes me and who returned fairly quickly - was a genuine Ocker I think.
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@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So, there's no benefit to either.
I see it differently: An erosion of depth from one to bolster another.
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So, there's no benefit to either.
I see it differently: An erosion of depth from one to bolster another.
Yeah. But only if the current central contracting policies of the 2 unions remain as they are in respect to each other.
If Kepu, Toby Smith , Mike Harris, or even Jason Woodward move but have to commit to Oz as part if their contracts. It is erosion of depth.
If Jordie Barrett moves to Reds, gets a pay rise, but is still NZ available for NZ then there is benefit.
