North vs South
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@Mokey much like a lot of the comments on here. The highlights reel is poor way to evaluate a player.
@kev I'd go further and say the whole game is a poor way to evaluate a player. I really enjoyed the match and hope it becomes a permanent fixture (or some variation of it at least). But its madness to fundamentally change your perception of a player based on a single performance , whether for better or worse. The teams come together late and players have no time to gel. We see time and time again at international level the value of tested combinations (if only we learned from this...), so its crazy to expect anything better in this fixture. Instead, I hope Foster had individual sessions with each player to talk through what he expected to see out of each from the game. And while we may not know what those things were thats what they should be evaluated on, along with their body of work for the year.
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@Stargazer said in North vs South:
So that "much better backrow" from the North - according to some Ferners - wasn't much better after all. Of the starting loosies, Sotutu had a very good game; but - and I'm far from a fan of Sanders - he had a good game as well. Frizell was better than AIoane, but neither really stood out. Savea was underwhelming, while youngster T Christie wasn't bad at all, especially if you take into consideration the huge difference in experience between the two.
Thought North loosies much more dynamic/balanced when Papali'i (world's largest 7?) came on and Ardie went to 8. Perhaps Sotutu short of a gallop?
Christie was very good. I think he was helped playing in 'Crusaders' pack, whereas Frizell didn't seem to get the opportunities he did so well with at Clan. Sanders also gave it heaps.
@pakman said in North vs South:
@Stargazer said in North vs South:
So that "much better backrow" from the North - according to some Ferners - wasn't much better after all. Of the starting loosies, Sotutu had a very good game; but - and I'm far from a fan of Sanders - he had a good game as well. Frizell was better than AIoane, but neither really stood out. Savea was underwhelming, while youngster T Christie wasn't bad at all, especially if you take into consideration the huge difference in experience between the two.
Thought North loosies much more dynamic/balanced when Papali'i (world's largest 7?) came on and Ardie went to 8. Perhaps Sotutu short of a gallop?
Christie was very good. I think he was helped playing in 'Crusaders' pack, whereas Frizell didn't seem to get the opportunities he did so well with at Clan. Sanders also gave it heaps.
Yeah, I feel like that starting North loose trio are a little too similar - not exactly the same, but have more overlapping skills than a well balanced loose trio should have.
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Great match for the non-partisan.
More of that please.
@MiketheSnow said in North vs South:
Great match for the non-partisan.
More of that please.
NZ rugby the winner on the day (and South won)
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Jesus, the McKenzie criticism is a bit over the top. As others have said he was involved in most of the tries, one bad error, and some seem to think he's worst on the field?
Meanwhile Rieko makes pretty much the same error, runs Reece out of space then throws a rank pass into touch, and he's best on the park?
The only difference I can see is that Caleb Clarke turned one of the errors into a try, but he seems to be getting a free pass...Shit super season sure, but a good game last night.
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@reprobate said in North vs South:
Jesus, the McKenzie criticism is a bit over the top. As others have said he was involved in most of the tries, one bad error, and some seem to think he's worst on the field?
Meanwhile Rieko makes pretty much the same error, runs Reece out of space then throws a rank pass into touch, and he's best on the park?
The only difference I can see is that Caleb Clarke turned one of the errors into a try, but he seems to be getting a free pass...
Shit super season sure, but a good game last night.Exactly. The reaction feels completely over the top, especially considering he was in great form before his injury last year. On top of that, most of the Chiefs AB's have been poor under Gatland this year (ALB another example who had a very average super season).
As you stated, most other players errors don't seem to attract the same level of criticism, considering Clarke was the major culprit for the conceded try yet no one seems to take any notice of that.
That pass to ground from Mckenzie happens multiple times in tests, usually just conceding some ground for the attacking team as they recover back a few yards. Clarke was the one that turned it into a try throwing a no-look speculator.
Mckenzie was clearly one of the most effective North players last night with one poor pass that multiple players throw during tests. Very odd reaction.
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@reprobate said in North vs South:
Meanwhile Rieko makes pretty much the same error, runs Reece out of space
This Rieko fella would make a world class winger eh
I’d have ALB and Goodhue in the midfield with a back 3 of Barrett, Ioane and one of Reece or Jordan.
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@reprobate said in North vs South:
Jesus, the McKenzie criticism is a bit over the top. As others have said he was involved in most of the tries, one bad error, and some seem to think he's worst on the field?
Meanwhile Rieko makes pretty much the same error, runs Reece out of space then throws a rank pass into touch, and he's best on the park?
The only difference I can see is that Caleb Clarke turned one of the errors into a try, but he seems to be getting a free pass...
Shit super season sure, but a good game last night.Exactly. The reaction feels completely over the top, especially considering he was in great form before his injury last year. On top of that, most of the Chiefs AB's have been poor under Gatland this year (ALB another example who had a very average super season).
As you stated, most other players errors don't seem to attract the same level of criticism, considering Clarke was the major culprit for the conceded try yet no one seems to take any notice of that.
That pass to ground from Mckenzie happens multiple times in tests, usually just conceding some ground for the attacking team as they recover back a few yards. Clarke was the one that turned it into a try throwing a no-look speculator.
Mckenzie was clearly one of the most effective North players last night with one poor pass that multiple players throw during tests. Very odd reaction.
@kpkanz said in North vs South:
Exactly. The reaction feels completely over the top, especially considering he was in great form before his injury last year. On top of that, most of the Chiefs AB's have been poor under Gatland this year (ALB another example who had a very average super season).
Well he shouldn't be picked on the basis of his pre-injury form.
As you stated, most other players errors don't seem to attract the same level of criticism, considering Clarke was the major culprit for the conceded try yet no one seems to take any notice of that.
Yes it was a bad error from Clarke that directly lead to the try. He'll hopefully learn from that a lot quicker than DMac appears to learn from his errors.
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can't trust those south islanders, hope the trophy is safe
hopefully we will see more of this if we don't actually get any internationals this year
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I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
@cgrant said in North vs South:
I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
I think its a matter of no one else.
Tupou Vaa'i is 20 ? Maybe they see a lot of potential there. -
I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
@cgrant said in North vs South:
I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
do we think Selby-Rickitt night need to few more games and time after his legal issues before he's honoured with a black jersey, wonder if the selectors wanted to avoid some questions when there is nothing riding of this squad
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@cgrant said in North vs South:
I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
I think its a matter of no one else.
Tupou Vaa'i is 20 ? Maybe they see a lot of potential there.@Darren said in North vs South:
@cgrant said in North vs South:
I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
I think its a matter of no one else.
Tupou Vaa'i is 20 ? Maybe they see a lot of potential there.Vaa'i is a punt on the future for sure. Could pay off big time.
I'm not so sure about Strange but will admit to not paying much attention to him.
I was surprised with Selby-Rickett and he also looked to be a sizable unit as well. I have a bias over his off field behavior but he could still be worth watching closely.
Thought Scrafton looked like this was his top level.
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@cgrant said in North vs South:
I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
do we think Selby-Rickitt night need to few more games and time after his legal issues before he's honoured with a black jersey, wonder if the selectors wanted to avoid some questions when there is nothing riding of this squad
@Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:
@cgrant said in North vs South:
I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
do we think Selby-Rickitt night need to few more games and time after his legal issues before he's honoured with a black jersey, wonder if the selectors wanted to avoid some questions when there is nothing riding of this squad
They didn't care last year.
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@Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:
@cgrant said in North vs South:
I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.
do we think Selby-Rickitt night need to few more games and time after his legal issues before he's honoured with a black jersey, wonder if the selectors wanted to avoid some questions when there is nothing riding of this squad
They didn't care last year.
@Nepia someone different in the big chair :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone: regret not caring :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone: ...or just this is a bit of a nothing squad so why take a gamble
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Would’ve been interesting to see who made it if all locks were available. I assume S. Barrett would’ve made it with Whitelock and Tuipulotu.
Does Strange, Vaa’i or P3 get the 4th spot?
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@ACT-Crusader I like the extra height PPP provides but he lacks a little on physicality at this stage.
Given that the AB squad was essentially selected before the game, Selby-Rickitt would have started ahead of Dunshea if he was a genuine chance of making the ABs at this point in time.
