AB Captain
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@Nepia ironically i think he suffered a similar situation at the landers, Lentjes was tagged as captain and so got the 7 jersey, i never felt his form really dropped much
@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Nepia ironically i think he suffered a similar situation at the landers, Lentjes was tagged as captain and so got the 7 jersey, i never felt his form really dropped much
Lentjes was selected ahead of him before being selected captain and proved he wasn't at the same standard as Hunt...then he got made captain.
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Nepia ironically i think he suffered a similar situation at the landers, Lentjes was tagged as captain and so got the 7 jersey, i never felt his form really dropped much
Lentjes was selected ahead of him before being selected captain and proved he wasn't at the same standard as Hunt...then he got made captain.
@Bones we know that...just keeping it simple for the others
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If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
Taylor likely starter ATM.
Coles not playing the house downLocks.
Whitelock. Currently a starter, but wil he remain so when BBBR returns? and likely (or at least potetially) an 80 minute player. But only a short term option. Won't make 2023.
Paddy T. Starter this year. Potentially 80 minute player. Not locked in to top XV (but could be).
Barrett S. Not locked in to top 23.Looseforwards
Unknown mixHalfbacks
Won't play 8010s
Who starts and who plays 80?Midfield
Potential 80 minute players here. But the mix is unclearWings
Who picks a wing as captain?
And again who is guaranteed to start? Rieko? But is he captaincy material?Fullback
BB has potential to play 80Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
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If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
Taylor likely starter ATM.
Coles not playing the house downLocks.
Whitelock. Currently a starter, but wil he remain so when BBBR returns? and likely (or at least potetially) an 80 minute player. But only a short term option. Won't make 2023.
Paddy T. Starter this year. Potentially 80 minute player. Not locked in to top XV (but could be).
Barrett S. Not locked in to top 23.Looseforwards
Unknown mixHalfbacks
Won't play 8010s
Who starts and who plays 80?Midfield
Potential 80 minute players here. But the mix is unclearWings
Who picks a wing as captain?
And again who is guaranteed to start? Rieko? But is he captaincy material?Fullback
BB has potential to play 80Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
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I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Taylor is the obvious choice as a first choice starter and emerging leader.
@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Taylor is the obvious choice as a first choice starter and emerging leader.
Now that’s an unexpected opinion!
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I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Taylor is the obvious choice as a first choice starter and emerging leader.
@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Is that bait or humour? I forget which thread i'm in.
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@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Is that bait or humour? I forget which thread i'm in.
@antipodean said in AB Captain:
@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Is that bait or humour? I forget which thread i'm in.
One of the big contributing factors in last year's failures was a lack of dominant tackling. Made even more puzzling by Cane's omission in the semi.
2019
draw v SA - Cane didn't play
loss v Aus - Cane subbed after 50 minutes with Ardie remaining on
loss to England -Cane played the second half with Ardie at 7 -
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
Taylor likely starter ATM.
Coles not playing the house downLocks.
Whitelock. Currently a starter, but wil he remain so when BBBR returns? and likely (or at least potetially) an 80 minute player. But only a short term option. Won't make 2023.
Paddy T. Starter this year. Potentially 80 minute player. Not locked in to top XV (but could be).
Barrett S. Not locked in to top 23.Looseforwards
Unknown mixHalfbacks
Won't play 8010s
Who starts and who plays 80?Midfield
Potential 80 minute players here. But the mix is unclearWings
Who picks a wing as captain?
And again who is guaranteed to start? Rieko? But is he captaincy material?Fullback
BB has potential to play 80Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
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@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
@Bovidae said in AB Captain:
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
Didn't Australia do it for a while with Moore? Still not ideal.
Looks especially bad if you have to pull the captain when they are most needed in a tight game.
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@Bovidae said in AB Captain:
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
Didn't Australia do it for a while with Moore? Still not ideal.
Looks especially bad if you have to pull the captain when they are most needed in a tight game.
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If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
Taylor likely starter ATM.
Coles not playing the house downLocks.
Whitelock. Currently a starter, but wil he remain so when BBBR returns? and likely (or at least potetially) an 80 minute player. But only a short term option. Won't make 2023.
Paddy T. Starter this year. Potentially 80 minute player. Not locked in to top XV (but could be).
Barrett S. Not locked in to top 23.Looseforwards
Unknown mixHalfbacks
Won't play 8010s
Who starts and who plays 80?Midfield
Potential 80 minute players here. But the mix is unclearWings
Who picks a wing as captain?
And again who is guaranteed to start? Rieko? But is he captaincy material?Fullback
BB has potential to play 80Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
I don't agree with 2. If you pick a good vice-captain (or two), there's no reason for the captain to play 80. So, to me, a prop, hooker (or halfback) can be captain. Captain must be in the 23 and I'd prefer him to start, but if he's not starting, the vice-captain must start. So the choice of vice-captain is almost as important as the choice of captain.
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@Stargazer wash your mouth out
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@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
@Bovidae said in AB Captain:
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
Moore for Aussie.
Oh, sorry. You said major...
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@Crucial said in AB Captain:
@Bovidae said in AB Captain:
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
Didn't Australia do it for a while with Moore? Still not ideal.
Looks especially bad if you have to pull the captain when they are most needed in a tight game.
@Bovidae said in AB Captain:
@Crucial I said major team.
Booboo for the double booboo
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@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
I don't agree with 2. If you pick a good vice-captain (or two), there's no reason for the captain to play 80. So, to me, a prop, hooker (or halfback) can be captain. Captain must be in the 23 and I'd prefer him to start, but if he's not starting, the vice-captain must start. So the choice of vice-captain is almost as important as the choice of captain.
@Stargazer said in AB Captain:
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
I don't agree with 2. If you pick a good vice-captain (or two), there's no reason for the captain to play 80. So, to me, a prop, hooker (or halfback) can be captain. Captain must be in the 23 and I'd prefer him to start, but if he's not starting, the vice-captain must start. So the choice of vice-captain is almost as important as the choice of captain.
Essentially my point Master Gazer
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@Crucial said in AB Captain:
@Bovidae said in AB Captain:
@booboo said in AB Captain:
If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
England with Hartley is the only major team I can remember that subbed their captain. Not ideal.
Didn't Australia do it for a while with Moore? Still not ideal.
Looks especially bad if you have to pull the captain when they are most needed in a tight game.
@Bovidae said in AB Captain:
@Crucial I said major team.
Booboo for the double booboo
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@antipodean said in AB Captain:
@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Is that bait or humour? I forget which thread i'm in.
One of the big contributing factors in last year's failures was a lack of dominant tackling. Made even more puzzling by Cane's omission in the semi.
2019
draw v SA - Cane didn't play
loss v Aus - Cane subbed after 50 minutes with Ardie remaining on
loss to England -Cane played the second half with Ardie at 7@Crucial said in AB Captain:
@antipodean said in AB Captain:
@shark said in AB Captain:
I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.
Is that bait or humour? I forget which thread i'm in.
One of the big contributing factors in last year's failures was a lack of dominant tackling. Made even more puzzling by Cane's omission in the semi.
2019
draw v SA - Cane didn't play
loss v Aus - Cane subbed after 50 minutes with Ardie remaining on
loss to England -Cane played the second half with Ardie at 7Yes we're always hearing about Cane's scary, scary tackling...umm...
