Wellington Lions 2020
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Will have a stab at this years squad including those already ruled out with injury. Looks like slim pickings due to injuries, unless we sign players to bulk up the squad (Savea included)
Props:
- Xavier Numia (out for season)
- Fraser Armstrong (out for season)
- Morgan Poi
- Alex Fidow
- Kaliopasi Uluilakepa
- Jarred Adams (rumoured to have signed but still unlikely)
- anyone else?
Hookers:
- Dane Coles
- Asafo Aumua
- Tyrone Thompson
Locks:
- James Blackwell
- Vaea Fifita
- Taine Plumtree
- Hugo Plummer
Loose Forwards:
- Teariki Ben-Nicholas
- Ardie Savea
- Du’Plessis Kirifi
- Caleb Delaney
- Josh Southall
First Fives:
- Jackson Garden-Bachop
- Trent Renata
- Aiden Morgan
- Ruben Love
Centres:
- Thomas Umaga Jensen (injured)
- Peter Umaga-Jensen
- Billy Proctor
- Keinan Higgins
Outside Backs:
- Wes Goosen
- Vince Aso
- Julian Savea (???)
- Connor Garden-Bachop ( injured???)
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I hate to say it, but don't you need four hookers, and will that fourth be James O'Reilly?
Props: maybe Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe? Didn't get game time in Hawke's Bay, last year, but now playing club rugby in Wellington. Maybe Wellington signed him (I have no idea)? And is Tolu Fahamokioa back playing club rugby?
Locks: is Ah Kuoi still contracted to Wellington, or has he moved to Waikato for NPC, too?
First-fives: no Callum Harkin?
Outside backs: I've seen on instagram that Malo Tuitama is in Wellington; don't know whether he's playing club rugby. Other names: Losi Filipo and Saia Paese (haven't seen him play club rugby, but he's playing in Wellington).
I guess Wellington doesn't need halfbacks? :grinning_face:
- TJ Perenara
- Kemara Hauiti-Parapara
- Jono Hickey?
- Isaac Bracewell?
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I hate to say it, but don't you need four hookers, and will that fourth be James O'Reilly?
Props: maybe Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe? Didn't get game time in Hawke's Bay, last year, but now playing club rugby in Wellington. Maybe Wellington signed him (I have no idea)? And is Tolu Fahamokioa back playing club rugby?
Locks: is Ah Kuoi still contracted to Wellington, or has he moved to Waikato for NPC, too?
First-fives: no Callum Harkin?
Outside backs: I've seen on instagram that Malo Tuitama is in Wellington; don't know whether he's playing club rugby. Other names: Losi Filipo and Saia Paese (haven't seen him play club rugby, but he's playing in Wellington).
I guess Wellington doesn't need halfbacks? :grinning_face:
- TJ Perenara
- Kemara Hauiti-Parapara
- Jono Hickey?
- Isaac Bracewell?
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@Stargazer I don't recall seeing O'Reilly on the team sheets recently but may have overlooked. Think Ben Power has been starting.
@Bones Yes, you're right. O'Reilly only played in the first round of club rugby. Either he's injured, or he's moved somewhere else.
Another option might be Leni Apisai, who is playing club rugby in Wellington. I assume he's no longer contracted to Auckland?
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Will have a stab at this years squad including those already ruled out with injury. Looks like slim pickings due to injuries, unless we sign players to bulk up the squad (Savea included)
Props:
- Xavier Numia (out for season)
- Fraser Armstrong (out for season)
- Morgan Poi
- Alex Fidow
- Kaliopasi Uluilakepa
- Jarred Adams (rumoured to have signed but still unlikely)
- anyone else?
Hookers:
- Dane Coles
- Asafo Aumua
- Tyrone Thompson
Locks:
- James Blackwell
- Vaea Fifita
- Taine Plumtree
- Hugo Plummer
Loose Forwards:
- Teariki Ben-Nicholas
- Ardie Savea
- Du’Plessis Kirifi
- Caleb Delaney
- Josh Southall
First Fives:
- Jackson Garden-Bachop
- Trent Renata
- Aiden Morgan
- Ruben Love
Centres:
- Thomas Umaga Jensen (injured)
- Peter Umaga-Jensen
- Billy Proctor
- Keinan Higgins
Outside Backs:
- Wes Goosen
- Vince Aso
- Julian Savea (???)
- Connor Garden-Bachop ( injured???)
@Canes4life What about the winger Pepesana Patefilo from last years squad? I haven't seen his name for Tawa in club rugby this year
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I hate to say it, but don't you need four hookers, and will that fourth be James O'Reilly?
Props: maybe Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe? Didn't get game time in Hawke's Bay, last year, but now playing club rugby in Wellington. Maybe Wellington signed him (I have no idea)? And is Tolu Fahamokioa back playing club rugby?
Locks: is Ah Kuoi still contracted to Wellington, or has he moved to Waikato for NPC, too?
First-fives: no Callum Harkin?
Outside backs: I've seen on instagram that Malo Tuitama is in Wellington; don't know whether he's playing club rugby. Other names: Losi Filipo and Saia Paese (haven't seen him play club rugby, but he's playing in Wellington).
I guess Wellington doesn't need halfbacks? :grinning_face:
- TJ Perenara
- Kemara Hauiti-Parapara
- Jono Hickey?
- Isaac Bracewell?
@Stargazer said in Wellington Lions 2020:
I guess Wellington doesn't need halfbacks?
You make a valid point.
Oh yup, I think Ah Koui is still contracted to Wellington so he will most likely start alongside Blackwell.
Interesting to see Harkin has moved away from halfback, he looked really good there before he broke his ankle in a pre season game for the Hurricanes against the Crusaders a couple of seasons ago. Connor Collins is another that will most likely be in the mix after playing last year. Also, TJ Va'a might be in the first five equation aswell.
Malo Tuitama will be a nice addition, I'd actually rather prefer him to Julian Savea. He is a great finisher and is probably in the similar mould to the likes of Telea & Reece. Hopefully he has signed.
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Watched Kaliopasi Uluilakepa and Mateaki Kafatolu both play for Petone on Saturday. Uluilakepa looked to be about 15 to 20 kg overweight and did nothing scrumming wise to inspire any confidence in him in that aspect (until the Axemen bench props came on and made it not so difficult for him) but did come into his own a little bit in the second half with a couple of mid field bashes when his team had most of the ball and were on top of the smaller Axemen pack. Kafetolu had his first run for the season (at No. Eight) but did not really notice him until I spotted him in a lineout about ten minutes into the second half. Cannot really give an opinion on his play because I did not watch him very closely at all. Seemed to be OK fitness wise though. Fahamokioa actually turns out for Norths these days and has been on the bench for all others games this season and likewise for Tawa during the latter part of last season so not sure whether he is recovering from injury or the desire to play at the top is still there. We can certainly count out another Tawa front row player from any involvement with the Lions from now on.
From what I heard pre covid Fifita was exploring overseas options (and who can blame him after being permanently overlooked for Reed Princep at the Hurricanes!) although things might have changed since then with the drastic salary reductions, back to reality, happening up there. -
Connor Garden-Bachop made his return to club footy on Saturday for Norths. I thought he was out for the season so it's good to see him back and running around just before the NPC kicks off.
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Wellington, though, has strong midfield stocks with Hurricanes Peter Umaga-Jensen, Vince Aso and Billy ProctorAso is better on the wing. His defence is flakey in the midfield.
Savea at 12 and PUJ at 13? Proctor struggles to make the 23?
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Wellington, though, has strong midfield stocks with Hurricanes Peter Umaga-Jensen, Vince Aso and Billy ProctorAso is better on the wing. His defence is flakey in the midfield.
Savea at 12 and PUJ at 13? Proctor struggles to make the 23?
@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
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@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
@Canes4life said in Wellington Lions 2020:
@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
Proctor will likely come good soon enough. But he's been a bit disappointment so far. But then so was PUJ until he finally stepped up. My view is he still needs to bulk up.
With Savea, Wellington signed him so he needs a chance in his preferred position (2nd 5) so I would like to see in one game
- Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Savea 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Proctor
If he performs keep him there or as a backup midfielder
Its a big loss that our top two LH props are out (when did Armstrong move to Wellington?)
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@Canes4life said in Wellington Lions 2020:
@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
Proctor will likely come good soon enough. But he's been a bit disappointment so far. But then so was PUJ until he finally stepped up. My view is he still needs to bulk up.
With Savea, Wellington signed him so he needs a chance in his preferred position (2nd 5) so I would like to see in one game
- Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Savea 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Proctor
If he performs keep him there or as a backup midfielder
Its a big loss that our top two LH props are out (when did Armstrong move to Wellington?)
@Winger said in Wellington Lions 2020:
@Canes4life said in Wellington Lions 2020:
@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
Proctor will likely come good soon enough. But he's been a bit disappointment so far. But then so was PUJ until he finally stepped up. My view is he still needs to bulk up.
With Savea, Wellington signed him so he needs a chance in his preferred position (2nd 5) so I would like to see in one game
- Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Savea 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Proctor
If he performs keep him there or as a backup midfielder
Its a big loss that our top two LH props are out (when did Armstrong move to Wellington?)
The coach has already said that Savea might have his ideas but they know where he has been proven in the past so will think of him there.
Sounds quite blinkered but I guess that if they think they can get value from him out wide they will try. -
@Canes4life said in Wellington Lions 2020:
@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
Proctor will likely come good soon enough. But he's been a bit disappointment so far. But then so was PUJ until he finally stepped up. My view is he still needs to bulk up.
With Savea, Wellington signed him so he needs a chance in his preferred position (2nd 5) so I would like to see in one game
- Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Savea 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Proctor
If he performs keep him there or as a backup midfielder
Its a big loss that our top two LH props are out (when did Armstrong move to Wellington?)
@Winger He probably has been a disappointment but I don't think he's fully matured, like PUJ I think we need to give him time to develop properly before making too much judgment. If he's still playing like this in a year or two then we have a problem.
Giving Savea a go in the midfield will also come down to whether we have signed TUJ, if we have then I can't see Savea jumping our strong centre options.
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@Winger He probably has been a disappointment but I don't think he's fully matured, like PUJ I think we need to give him time to develop properly before making too much judgment. If he's still playing like this in a year or two then we have a problem.
Giving Savea a go in the midfield will also come down to whether we have signed TUJ, if we have then I can't see Savea jumping our strong centre options.
@Canes4life check Otago rugby Facebook, he's on the injured list for Otago, he's signed with Otago now
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@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
@Canes4life said in Wellington Lions 2020:
@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
There are two Garden-Bachop in your backline.
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@Canes4life said in Wellington Lions 2020:
@Duluth I'd like to see a backline of: 9. Perenara 10. Garden-Bachop 11. Aso 12. Proctor 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Goosen 15. Garden-Bachop, with Savea rampaging off the bench.
I'm keen for Wellington to persist with Proctor somewhere in the backline, he's still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side.
There are two Garden-Bachop in your backline.
